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by Grelinette » 04/04/18, 14:34

Hello everybody

The subject of theArtificial intelligence has already been discussed on econology but I relaunch it because,

- on the one hand, it is quite difficult to find a precise definition (at least for me : Oops: - Definition of AI for Wiki),

- on the other hand, it is a subject about which one speaks a lot at the moment especially after the very recent declarations of our president Macron which underlines the delay of France in this field (what specialists deny, on the other hand one says that our French experts are more likely to join foreign companies), and in parallel Macron announces the State's investment intentions:
https://www.nextinpact.com/news/106388- ... macron.htm

The 6 major projects:
https://www.usine-digitale.fr/editorial ... on.N673939

Last weekend I had the opportunity to chat with the manager of a company specializing in AI, and in his words I had a hard time seeing how AI was so extraordinary and fundamentally different from a "old-fashioned" algorithm, well designed, which analyzes the problem well while remaining open to evolution, with a series of instructions and conditions which exploit a well-made and well-updated database ...

It seems to me that computer advances are more phenomenal computing powers of new processors, exponential storage capacities and possibilities for quick access to all data on the web, than AI itself!

I remember that in the years 80-90, at the beginning of the microcomputing, some companies already leaned on complex subjects like the medical diagnostics of the pathologies and the most adapted treatments, subject of which one speaks again today like a area where AI will bring a lot. ("Emmanuel Macron said he wanted to focus primarily on two markets: transport and health.")

At the time, it was more human reluctance (entrusting an intellectual know-how to a computer) that hindered research than technical possibilities.

For my part I had also worked on algorithms to analyze written requests in all letters (computer queries), but it was more of the BA-BA computer that consisted of connecting words and expressions (by emancipating mistakes orthographies) to more or less complex calculation and research functions.
(By the way, I had taken some of these algorithms for a small cocktail management software : Cheesy: : "So then ... what cocktail can give me energy for my date tonight, knowing that I like champagne, lemon and wild strawberries? ...)

In short, theArtificial intelligence... fashion effect or genuine technological openness to the future?
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by Opale2sang » 04/04/18, 17:14

Bonjour.

Ben to the extent that a machine equipped with an AI is able to perform certain tasks such as driving a vehicle or the development of an original melody, or to define the plans of a building etc ...

We can say yes, that certainly there will be a small revolution in a lot of areas, because precisely the AI ​​is so many different areas that it would be difficult to quote them, for me it's more than an opening to the future is the future.

On the other hand, as always depending on how it is going to be used, it can bring good things as well as bad, but if we take as an example the automation of production machines (factory) and the increase in their yields for decades this which brought the problems that you know, in any case what I mean is that it is certain that if it is to manufacture "trinkets" which trample the planet, again and again, frankly.

In addition if an AI one day manages to have a conscience for example, nothing will then prevent him from farting the lead like any other human conscience and there it could be dangerous.

Finally for the moment no AI worthy of the name has passed the Turing test but you should know that the Turing test is not perfect, for example in the case of mentally limited or drunk person, the test does not work not.

Here is a site where you can chat with some basic AI, which sometimes kind of beautiful ...
Here obviously no real artificial intelligence:
https://www.personalityforge.com/

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by Ahmed » 05/04/18, 19:59

The robotization of factories massively replaces the workers, despite an investment cost (software + complex mechanical) and important maintenance.
From now on, several factors are extremely favorable to the AI: - the preponderance of the only software (little expensive) to replace jobs much more qualified, in an ascending logic; - the great specialization and evolution of jobs towards procedural aspects, much easier to integrate into an automated process; - the complexity of tasks (in the sense of the multiplication of data to be taken into account) that make staff less operational with respect to mechanical substitutes; - the desire to always reduce costs and increase rates, which only robots can support (they do not commit suicide, do not protest, do not take a vacation, are not sick, are not pregnant .. .) ...
A haemorrhage of employment in sectors still spared is inevitable and will accentuate the "crisis", since this will decrease the quantity of solvent consumers, thus breaking the temporary balance between producers and consumers (already well achieved). At first, this disadvantage will encourage the intensification of the use of AI, since it will lower the prices of services, which in turn will further destabilize society ...
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by izentrop » 06/04/18, 01:05

Before the industrial revolution, robots were men. AI also brought us hobbies. We can also increase our comfort with home automation. Today's problems are more due to poor distribution of money.

I am convinced that robotics will enable us to move beyond climate change, thanks to farmbots and indoor farms with recycling of fresh water, which will be the main problem in the future. https://www.journaldunet.com/economie/a ... ieur.shtml
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by Grelinette » 06/04/18, 12:58

It is difficult to say today what will be the consequences of tomorrow with the arrival of Artificial Intelligence. In fact, the arrival of a new technology has rarely been beneficial for the human workforce!
(Although to a certain extent some works have been improved by more comfort, although ... we have mainly improved yields and profits).
It is therefore a prospective exercise that is difficult to predict the future social and societal changes that AI will bring.

What interests me is first of all to understand why the AI ​​is so innovative, and if indeed we must expect fundamental changes in our everyday life, as some seem to say.

For example, we often hear that the peculiarity of AI is to be able to reproduce or simulate the cognitive functioning of human beings, in other words, to be able to acquire new knowledge, even modes of thinking, therefore to be able to 'to increase your "intelligence" on your own! ... and to make a perilous link with a sensitive and "fascinating" subject, much debated on econology, this "autonomous and regular increase in the intelligence of computers", is it not? a metaphor for the famous "Perpetual Movement": with AI a machine is intelligent and has the ability to become even smarter, and the more intelligent it is, the more it can become even smarter ... but how far will it stop she, as Coluche would have said! : Cheesy:

The computer world has accustomed us to sensational ads with little effect, the end of the paper with digital (it happened the opposite!), The revolution of home automation ubiquitous (there are already more 20 years!), Through the projects of computers with DNA, quantum and other futuristic neural technologies.

That said, if computers became smart thanks to AI, why not! but on the condition that we also develop in parallel the BSA (the Artificial Good Sense)! : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 06/04/18, 21:30

Should we worry about the exponential development of the computing power of machines and following Moore's law, worry about the coming advent of a computer singularity or can we, conversely, sleep on our two ears, noting that, of course, beating the world champions of the game of go or failure, it's pretty good, but that we are not really threatened as long as the feats of arms of the AI ​​are to win a part of Jeopardy. In short, to summarize the thinking of Gerard BERRY, computer scientist, professor at the College of France and CNRS gold medal: the computer is not dangerous for extra consciousness, but because it is completely con.
The subject comes with a round table of highly qualified people to discuss
round table, with Laurence DEVILLERS, professor of computer science at Sorbonne Universités, researcher at the Computer Science Laboratory for mechanics and engineering sciences, Benjamin BAYART, president of the federation of associative Internet access providers and co-founder of La Quadrature du Net, and Jean PONCE, professor at the Ecole Normale Supérieure, seconded to INRIA, where you lead the collaboration with the University of New York
It was in today's scientific method https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... avril-2018
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by Grelinette » 09/04/18, 14:09

izentrop wrote:The subject comes with a round table of highly qualified people to discuss
round table, with Laurence DEVILLERS, professor of computer science at Sorbonne Universités, researcher at the Computer Science Laboratory for mechanics and engineering sciences, Benjamin BAYART, president of the federation of associative Internet access providers and co-founder of La Quadrature du Net, and Jean PONCE, professor at the Ecole Normale Supérieure, seconded to INRIA, where you lead the collaboration with the University of New York
It was in today's scientific method https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... avril-2018

Thanks izentrop for this link.

Stephen HAWKING had the same reasoning as the one that led me to compare AI to the "Perpetual Movement" and more exactly to the "Surunitary" principle, namely an "evolutionary process of autonomous and continuous optimization":

The most regretted Stephen HAWKING, of whom no one in this learned assembly here can question the intelligence, said about artificial intelligence: "The primitive forms of artificial intelligence that we already have proved very useful. But I think that the development of a complete artificial intelligence could end humanity "and he specifies "Once men have developed artificial intelligence, it will take off alone, and redefines itself faster and faster. Humans, limited by slow biological evolution, could not compete and would be overwhelmed ».


The question is to know if the AI ​​is able to pass this crucial stage of emancipation of the human tutelage!

It's almost a philosophical question, like the question of the specificity of Life that we study in philosophy class (at least from what I remember): "Where does this little help come from? that cells which associate end up taking life and giving birth to a living being? ". (Some would say that this little help ... it's God : Cheesy: )

Can we imagine that a biological being (computer or robotics, if we extend this to AI), made by human beings, can come to life, self-manage and develop, without human intervention?
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by izentrop » 09/04/18, 15:50

Can we imagine that a biological being (computer or robotics, if we extend this to AI), made by human beings, can come to life, self-manage and develop, without human intervention?
Was widely discussed in the program cited.
Grelinette wrote: "Where does this little help come from that causes cells that combine to come to life and give birth to a living being?" (Some would say that this little help ... it's God)
These mechanisms are better understood
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These mechanisms are better understood
I advise you this debate: https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/ ... -on earth
we must not confuse more and more studied and more and more known. So cancer is the subject of many studies and despite this THE science in question remains still in deep ignorance because it seeks the wrong side. This is the case of vaccinations which, by trying to eliminate the supposed people responsible for the epidemics, have transformed pathologies expressing themselves by various particular signs and passages of elimination, have been transformed into internalized and permanent diseases such as multiple sclerosis, Acute flaccid paralysis substitutes for poliomyelitis, etc.
The origins of life are the same, lots of theories, assumptions, attempts at reproduction, and all of which result in repetitive and bitter failures.
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