Cloning of monkeys: the therapeutic cloned man, it's for tomorrow!

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Re: Cloning of monkeys: therapeutic cloned man, it's for tomorrow!




by sen-no-sen » 27/01/18, 14:01

nico239 wrote:Apart from the technique which seems to be developed, how can we concretely conserve humans?

Without any moral consideration on paper it is fabulous but PRACTICALLY you have an idea?


What do you mean by keeping humans?
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 27/01/18, 14:24

How do you transplant a kidney from your clone in your 56th year?

Where does your clone live for 56 years?
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by Christophe » 27/01/18, 14:53

It's about cloning organs only thanks to stem cells ...

One can imagine biological "3D printers" where the raw material was "cloned flesh" ... Maybe it will take 6 months to make a kidney, but it's better than nothing!

Otherwise r bio-compatible biological "hosts" as you just said? The pork seems the most suitable?

Otherwise the artificial uterus already exists: it could very well adapt to grow only certain organs ... remains to solve the problem of scale: an infant heart is not that of a fiftieth .. .but I'm sure that with growth hormone and a controlled environment we can do miracles!

Until this happens, don't smoke or drink too much! : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 27/01/18, 17:27

Tested on sheep, it made it possible to develop fetuses of lambs in a transparent plastic bag connected to various blood and physiological circuits, for four weeks, apparently without sequelae.
"The goal is to meet the challenge of extreme prematurity," says Alan Flake. Within twenty-three weeks of development, human fetuses that are born prematurely have mortality levels of up to 90%, and those that survive have significant sequelae in 70% to 90% of cases, he recalled during a telephone press conference.


Learn more about http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/ ... QAkyGjV.99
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by sen-no-sen » 27/01/18, 18:05

nico239 wrote:How do you transplant a kidney from your clone in your 56th year?

Where does your clone live for 56 years?


The organ could develop in an animal like the pig, it would then be enough of a few years to be able to obtain a transplant, while waiting for this one an artificial organ will take over.
This seems to be the most promising method at first.
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by Christophe » 27/01/18, 18:08

Yes, okay with that if we can't do it in an artificial "womb" ...

This will make pigs at 100 € that! But do not worry, we will have the 000 hams offered !! : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 27/01/18, 18:26

Without going as far as cloning, there is cell therapy which makes it possible to repair damaged tissues by cultivating the patient's own cells. https://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/d ... ire-13403/

An example http://www.pourlascience.fr/ewb_pages/a ... -39010.php

Regenerative medicine even more interesting https://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/a ... ris-38265/
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by sen-no-sen » 27/01/18, 18:30

Christophe wrote:Yes, okay with that if we can't do it in an artificial "womb" ...

This will make pigs at 100 € that! But do not worry, we will have the 000 hams offered !! : Mrgreen:


Here, Christophe, who talks to us about a sexist campaign, take a look here:

The artificial uterus is the future of women


During pregnancy, many physiological processes push the mother to become attached to the child, which is biologically logical since mammals have had every interest in having devoted mothers on which they depend entirely, with which they merge a certain period of time. time. But I think that we have reached a stage in our evolution where, at least in the most developed countries, it is possible to cut, or at least loosen this cord.


… By making children in incubators (ectogenesis) so that procreation is completely decoupled from sex?

Yes. Although it is obviously extremely difficult to foresee the repercussions of a technology which does not yet exist and which, once developed, will take a long time to mass and will most likely not abolish the other modes of reproduction. Rest assured, in vitro fertilization, contraception, or infant formula have eliminated neither natural inseminations, nor the human race, nor breastfeeding. So, if it is almost impossible for ectogenesis to become the default procreation mode of the human species before a good bundle of thousands of years, its development will nonetheless pave the way for gender equality. Today, marriage and reproduction are among the primary drivers of wage inequality between men and women. To take only a banal example, consider that a woman who marries and gives birth will devote less time to her work than to her family life (whereas among the average of men, it is the opposite) , which worsens wage inequality.


https://www.causeur.fr/reproduction-feminisme-pma-gpa-sastre-144768

Should we laugh or ... vomit? Here is a fine example of post-modern feminism!
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by Christophe » 27/01/18, 18:43

Ah yes I see the genre: the money and the career are more important than the fusion of mother and child, pregnancy and the joy of giving life "naturally" ... My God, what a poor woman, this Peggy Sastre!

Is she at least a mom to dare to assert this? I bet not! Poor poor spot ...

In addition, biologically, pregnancy is essential for the future mother and the arrival of the newborn because her brain is durably modified there (studies have even shown that dads attentive to their wife's pregnancy were also impacted by this hormonal cocktail. !)
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by Christophe » 27/01/18, 18:44

izentrop wrote:Without going as far as cloning, there is cell therapy which makes it possible to repair damaged tissues by cultivating the patient's own cells.


Yes, it has been well known in burns for a few years now: but can we do it on the scale of a complete organ? The liver no doubt, the others I have more doubts ...

Cloning can be limited to an organ and this remains cloning ...
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