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by sen-no-sen » 04/07/12, 19:55

Obamot wrote:
Thus the notion of "Higgs Boson"would eventually cover all the particles involved in" their possible discovery "by the Large Hadron Collider and would be just another experimental verification of "The existence of quantum entanglement in time and space and on Earth" ( "no verification"... by the way)


Yep, the future will tell us.

In addition, people believe in strictly linear time where the effects have no influence on the causes ..............


It is our feeling drawn from our daily experience, which often turns out to be misleading ...
Indeed, we must abandon the idea of ​​a linear and absolute time, and speak rather of a granular and indeterministic (space) time.
Current physicists mostly defend the theory of "the block Universe", for a smaller number "presentism", yet the two notions have their limits, the most avant-garde theories speak of "dynamic space-time" .
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by Flytox » 04/07/12, 19:58

Obamot wrote:Remains to be discovered the 96% we don't know yet ... : Shock:

: Lol: ... let's remain modest, physicists!


You assume that the amount of knowledge (100%) is finite / accessible .... : Idea:
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by plasmanu » 04/07/12, 20:29

Must refer to peers

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by Obamot » 04/07/12, 21:01

: Mrgreen: The risk "zero" does not exist...

The risk "un"either since three minimum parameters are needed to cause an accident ... (space + time + occurrence of matter at the moment" T "on the right trajectory) Then simulate the Universe with computers offering only "1" and "0", take it as a joke if you want, but "how can that work ...?"

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Obamot wrote:Remains to be discovered the 96% we don't know yet ... : Shock:

: Lol: ... let's remain modest, physicists!


You assume that the amount of knowledge (100%) is finite / accessible .... : Idea:

This is the deduction made from 'weight of the Universe', not me that I calculated, huh ... : Cheesy:
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by sen-no-sen » 05/07/12, 11:39

Obamot wrote:
Flytox wrote:
Obamot wrote:Remains to be discovered the 96% we don't know yet ... : Shock:

: Lol: ... let's remain modest, physicists!


You assume that the amount of knowledge (100%) is finite / accessible .... : Idea:

This is the deduction made from 'weight of the Universe', not me that I calculated, huh ... : Cheesy:


A large part of the Universe would be made up of dark matter, the day we will have discovered the properties of this strange matter, we will have discovered 100%?

Also be careful not to confuse topological discovery of the Universe and discovery of the principles underlying it.

For example, even if we have not explored the entire planet (the ocean floor is still little known) the fact remains that the physical phenomena that take place are mostly explained, or in the process of explanation.

It is also about the "TOE" (theory of everything "), misleading and sensationalist name, because a theory of the All, is not the theory of EVERYTHING ...

And I don't even talk about Multiverses and other parallel Universes ....Image

So we have discovered say 50% of what is observable (random figure), we ... we have not yet discovered anything ... in the Absolute!
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by Obamot » 05/07/12, 12:09

If you mean by that the 96% of simulations would only correspond to 50% ...

Everyone will judge, but it may be a little too fast to move towards a transversal reasoning. By this I mean that even if we know a lot about electricity today, it is still a phenomenon that we can hardly explain! Like your metaphor on the oceans, we see lots of things come to life thanks to it, we see lightning bolts and on occasion we get "shaken" by putting our fingers where we shouldn't not ... But that's about it!

As much as we can descend into the depths of the seas with bathyscaps, it is impossible to go explore electricity using direct our senses of perception ...

Although knowing everything we know, it remains an almost supernatural phenomenon. No wonder then that some fantasize about possibly imaginary possibilities (or not for some, like photovoltaics which works very well, as much as the sensors of digital cameras and their quantum efficiency).

And then there is everything that we are seeing emerging in medicine. Where previously banned tracks (placebo / nocebo, immunosuppression, mental conditioning leading to the production of chemical and caring substances by the patients themselves, development of knowledge by studying the mechanisms of stress and managing its effects, etc.)

So no, I'm not ready to barter 96% against 50% as easily : Lol:
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by sen-no-sen » 05/07/12, 12:19

Obamot wrote:So no, I'm not ready to barter 96% against 50% as easily : Lol:


As I mentioned, I gave this 50% figure at random, in fact I have the impression that the more we discover the less we are sure of what has been discovered previously.
The example of time expresses it wonderfully: we "feel" the weight of the years yet it is impossible for us to get a real idea of ​​what it is.
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by Christophe » 06/07/12, 00:27

Hihihihi http://www.lapresse.ca/debats/le-cercle ... iable-.php

In the wake of the publication of scientific data concerning the search for the Higgs boson, several minds were excited by a strange religious consideration. Since several media refer to this subatomic particle by calling it "the particle of God", the expectation of a verdict concerning the existence or non-existence of Higgs appeared for some to mirror the great insoluble question of the existence of God. Apart from the fact that this drift finds its source in an American publisher who has found a profitable strategy to market a particle with a strange behavior, one may wonder why the religious imagination frequently re-emerges in the everyday life, even in science, where the area of ​​uncertainty is the only thing that is truly certain.

Moreover, the "discovery" of CERN physicists is itself all in nuance. They evoke "a trace", "a shadow", "a compatible particle" or a boson which "could be that of Higgs". Those who expected a clear and definitive answer must be very disappointed!

Since the famous Higgs boson would be an essential element that would explain why matter has weight, we can reasonably bet on the existence of something like it, since the market for dieting in our western countries is undeniable! "Devil is in the details" says the English proverb.

A few years ago, when the human genome was decrypted, Bill Clinton declared that humanity had "decoded the thought of God". A few months later, in a much more human and prosaic way, the passage of a young intern at the White House taught us that the divine genetic code of the President of the United States must certainly include some diabolical combinations!

Frankly, the Higgs boson certainly cannot be "the particle of God", since the day when other scientists will try to discover the composition of Higgs, they would have to imagine another hierarchical level to be able to name these possible particles. God, who is not known to support competition, would certainly formally oppose it.

It is reassuring to get to the end of a question only if we stop thinking immediately after the answer. Fortunately, the Devil is in the details, fortunately!
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by sen-no-sen » 06/07/12, 13:12

Since several media refer to this subatomic particle by calling it "the particle of God", the expectation of a verdict concerning the existence or non-existence of Higgs appeared for some to mirror the great insoluble question of the existence of God.



Originally the name divine particle (God particle) was born from a gross error!

Indeed Leon lederman (Nobel Prize in Physics) had named in one of his works the Higgs boson of "Goddamn particle"which means:" the damn particle ", to signify the elusiveness of this one.
The publisher of the book finding the name offensive to delete "damn", which gave "particle of God".
The expression has remained since ....
An error that risks once again sowing confusion in people's minds ...
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by bamboo » 06/07/12, 16:48

Obamot wrote:The risk "un"either since three minimum parameters are needed to cause an accident ... (space + time + occurrence of matter at the moment" T "on the right trajectory) Then simulate the Universe with computers offering only "1" and "0",

However, a movie is represented with "1" and "0" on a DVD ... and it has 3 parameters: time, image and sound
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