What a fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!

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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Christophe » 30/05/17, 13:29

Janic wrote:everyone not only can, but does it without knowing it ... and it dates back over 3.000 years!


3000 years? Is that so? : Shock:

I think that the health situation of the majority of humanity (access to drinking water and minimum hygiene) is currently comparable to that of "developed" countries ... not 3000 years ago but it 300 years ago ...

Well, we are moving away from the subject a bit, right?
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Janic » 30/05/17, 19:43

3000 years? Is that so?
Eh yes ! the birth of Moses being estimated in 1392 before the Christian era as we can estimate the period of Vercingétorix or Charlemagne.
I think that the health situation of the majority of humanity (access to drinking water and minimum hygiene) is currently comparable to that of "developed" countries ... not 3000 years ago but it 300 years ago ...

Your reaction is understandable! The history of other countries like those of North Africa, and in general the entire Mediterranean basin, is little known to us and, unfortunately, for centuries French culture has really been in the dark compared to Indian or Greek culture. , then Muslim with very developed sciences such as astronomy, medicine and surgery, mathematics, writing, etc ... whereas among us few even knew how to read and write.
The Hebrew culture is found in this region of intellectual and metaphysical openness and therefore of progress in the field of hygiene and medicine including Hippocrates, well known, following in this other masters in these areas (this already 2500 years!) http://medarus.org/Medecins/MedecinsTex ... crate.html
Our light period is like a night out on the whole of our country (more generally the countries north of the Mediterranean basin) having lasted for millennia.
but it only concerned a small part of humanity. Hygiene is therefore not 300 years old but well, at least 3.000 years which could have prevented millions of deaths in epidemics which have crossed the centuries.!
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Christophe » 30/05/17, 19:52

Janic wrote:Hygiene is therefore not 300 years old but well, at least 3.000 years which could have prevented millions of deaths in epidemics which have crossed the centuries.!


In theory ... in practice ... this is far from the case!

So I bounced on your "everyone not only can, but does it without knowing it" which is far from being the case today ...
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Janic » 30/05/17, 20:34

In theory ... in practice ... this is far from the case!
this is the whole problem of human nature and this nature is more often turned towards self-destruction than towards its preservation.
Also I bounced on your "everyone, not only can it, but does it without knowing it" which is far from being the case now ...
you're right, it lacks precision, even if the context suggested. So I say, everyone in question is only valid for those who practice daily hygiene without knowing the distant source. It's better? : Cheesy:
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by sen-no-sen » 01/06/17, 21:32

Exnihiloest wrote:..
Yes, but there is progress, you say it yourself, so it's positive.
In addition everything is not black: for example the air of the big cities in France is much better today than in the 60s: there it is progress and less pollution.


What are we talking about?
The "progress" to which you refer to a name: the super-organism anthropotechnique(SAT) or more broadly: the techno-sphere.
Consider the progresZion of this and ... to congratulate (!) is to be the useful idiot of the "System".
To say that air quality is better in France is a very subjective vision, because as you know, a large part of our industry has been relocated to developing countries.
The total amount of pollutants on earth has therefore never been so high, it is therefore very provocative, and totally wrong to speak of progress, in the sense of improving ecological conditions.

As already explaining pollution is either to evacuate on the outskirts, or to optimize to be able to saturate further and long ...
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Janic » 02/06/17, 07:25

In addition everything is not black: for example the air of the big cities in France is much better today than in the 60s: there it is progress and less pollution.
this is only partially correct! In fact, pollution from petrol engines has been improved with computer-controlled injection, but the exploding diesel replaced co2 with fine particles and less visible nitrogen oxides, except when smog sets in. which means that it is the wind which cleans pollution or not. Individual oil heaters have been replaced by condensing heaters, for example, which effectively reduces this pollution, but also and it is not negligible, the disappearance of numbers of polluting industries in or on the outskirts of cities. However, thinking only of cities is particularly selfish and too bad if this pollution hits the rest of the population. : Evil: because overall, and if only because the population has increased sharply since the 60s, total human pollution in the country is increasing.
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