What a fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!

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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Janic » 28/05/17, 09:29

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But what concerns me the most is that it is necessary that this threat intervenes so that a questioning about our modes of operation takes place, which, in my opinion, reveals a profound ambiguity of the environmentalist approach. (Unfortunately we can not speak here of ecological approach) which is sensitive only to what may disturb an agreed view of a certain previous comfort.
That's quite right! But we are only humans and our "modernism" is like a lark mirror on which we, (the wealthy in technology) we rushed, but as the saying goes: "we cannot have butter and butter at the same time. butter money ". It is therefore a mixture of adhesion to the system as much on the individual level as collective of which we complain "a little belatedly" of the negative effects and we continue "cheerfully ... ment" : Mrgreen: in this way without visible exit.
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by Exnihiloest » 28/05/17, 15:00

Janic wrote:... our "modernism" is like a lark mirror ...

Less than the ecologism or the decline we are made to shimmer.
At least one child out of two does not die any more, tuberculosis is no longer a mass problem, we do not see any beaks of hare or lepers, at least in our Western countries where this modernism is practiced.
But hey, the haves of modernism can still try a non-modern natural life by cultivating a piece of land around their hut in Yemen, I think they will come back quickly, from the idea of ​​a "lark mirror". To criticize modernism without restraint from the West is to saw the branch on which we are sitting, and really an insult to all the underprivileged of the earth who would like even the 10th of what we have and that it is illusory to believe that they would have it if we didn't.
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by Janic » 28/05/17, 20:18

janic wrote: ... our "modernism" is like a lark mirror ...

Less than the ecologism or the decline we are made to shimmer.

Every system has its setbacks even in ecology, the whole thing is to know what everyone expects from the systems they defend while accepting its possible disadvantages.
At least not one in two children dies, tuberculosis is no longer a mass problem,

It's not a question of modernism. The biblical text recommends great hygiene thousands of years ago. The modernism in question only brought it up to date after many centuries of obscurantism and especially among the "scientists" of the time.
we do not see hare beaks or lepers, at least in our Western countries where this modernism is practiced.

Hygiene is not a question of modernism but observation, common sense and especially teaching.
and really an insult to all the disinherited people of the earth who would like even the 10ème of what we have and that it is illusory to believe that they would have it if we refused it.

They have it with all the surpluses and waste that we do not want at home (asbestos removal in India, low-cost jeans in Morocco, China's cotton for our affluent people, toxic dyes in India too, the old rotten cars of which we do not want here anymore and shipped to Africa, for example) 8)
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by Exnihiloest » 28/05/17, 21:23

Janic wrote:...
It's not a question of modernism. The biblical text recommends important hygiene thousands of years ago ....

Yes this is it.
This is surely why infant mortality has never exceeded 0,001% since the creation of the world and that there has never been a single epidemic until today!
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by Janic » 29/05/17, 09:26

Janic wrote:
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It's not a question of modernism. The biblical text recommends important hygiene thousands of years ago ....

Yes this is it.
This is surely why infant mortality has never exceeded 0,001% since the creation of the world and that there has never been a single epidemic until today!
you watch too many bad documentaries about evolution.
Until the nineteenth century, regular epidemics caused multitudes of victims throughout the world, the origins of which gave rise to many "scientific" theories.
So :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignace_Ph ... Semmelweis
Ignace Philippe Semmelweis (in Hungarian, Ignác Fülöp Semmelweis), born the 1er July 1818 in Ofen (German name of Buda, which is today part of Budapest), died in Döbling, near Vienna the 13 August 1865, is a doctor Hungarian obstetrician who worked for hygiene. He demonstrated the usefulness of washing hands after the dissection of a corpse, before performing a delivery. He also demonstrated that handwashing reduced the number of deaths caused by puerperal fever in women after delivery. Until then, the obstetrician doctors tried in vain to understand where the puerperal fevers came from by performing numerous autopsies. It was a terrible blow for those who were finally convinced by Semmelweis' ideas: it turned out that they themselves were transmitting the disease involuntarily.

There are also issues of ideology that prevented the medical institution at the time from recognizing and implementing the Semmelweis discovery.. One of them is that this thesis appeared to be based on no scientific basissince no justification can be given. The scientific explanation only comes a few decades later when Pasteur, Lister and others developed the microbial theory of the disease. Another ideological problem is that Semmelweis' ideas seem to be based on a religious conception of death that forces doctors to purify their hands after autopsies; all this seemed to be "religious" or "superstitious" in the prevailing intellectual environment of the time in scientific circles directly derived from the Age of Enlightenment.
Like you now!
Today no surgeon can (voluntarily) transgress the rules of this hygiene by going to sterile rooms in some cases. This explains the sharp drop in nosocomial infections since that time. In the same way this hygiene applied to the general population, by the improvement of the hygienic conditions of life, saw fall these same transmitted infections.
Yes the general hygiene as particular has made fall all these pathologies and the vaccines there are almost for nothing, in spite of the superstitious speeches (the grigri which saves) which accompany them.
For your talk about since the creation of the world (you were not there, any more than me) we must stop fantasizing in a vacuum. All that precedes the so-called historical period is only supposition and successive theories without indisputable proofs.
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Exnihiloest » 29/05/17, 19:01

Janic wrote:...
[i] Ignace Philippe Semmelweis (in Hungarian, Ignác Fülöp Semmelweis), born the 1er July 1818 in Ofen (German name of Buda, which is today part of Budapest), died in Döbling, near Vienna the 13 August 1865, is a Hungarian obstetrician doctor who worked for hygiene ...

It's part of modernism for me. We are in the lineage of the 19ème and XNIXXème centuries, to the dazzling progress of the sciences.

The hygiene in the Bible you were talking about is a pipe.
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by Janic » 29/05/17, 21:20

Janic wrote:
[i] Ignace Philippe Semmelweis (in Hungarian, Ignác Fülöp Semmelweis), born the 1er July 1818 in Ofen (German name of Buda, which is today part of Budapest), died in Döbling, near Vienna the 13 August 1865, is a Hungarian obstetrician doctor who worked for hygiene ...

It's part of modernism for me. We are in the lineage of the 19ème and XNIXXème centuries, to the dazzling progress of the sciences.
except, as the whole of the article says, obscurantism was on the side of the good thinkers of that time who could not bear a questioning of their "knowledge".
The hygiene in the Bible you were talking about is a pipe.
Oh ignorance when you hold us! To say that it's a pipe, you should already know what you're talking about, which does not seem to be your case in this case. In fact, what bothers you is that your lights are 3.000 years late! Stronger than the SNCF! : Cheesy:
Are you only able to demonstrate why it's a pipe, without discrediting the lights of 19 ° and 20 ° in question, and especially without making a fool of yourself!
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Christophe » 30/05/17, 11:32

Exnihiloest wrote:You are free to believe what you want ... for my part I am deeply convinced that man has a negligible share of responsibility in climate change, if it is not totally zero, and I base myself to say it on the lack of scientific evidence proving it, quantification in support, and on the fact that the anthropogenic part of CO2 is negligible compared to that natural.


And the proofs of what you say, where are they? : Cheesy: : Cheesy:
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Re: What fantastic progress against pollution, since 200 years!




by Christophe » 30/05/17, 11:34

Exnihiloest wrote:Yes this is it.
This is surely why infant mortality has never exceeded 0,001% since the creation of the world and that there has never been a single epidemic until today!


Another false statement out of the hat ... : Shock:

It is still currently around 40 per thousand (for the world) ... or 4% !! Far from "your" 0,001% ...

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortalit%C3%A9_infantile

You become painful ... Really ...

In the eighteenth century in Europe, one child in four dies before 1 year and only one in two reaches adulthood. In the middle of the 19th century, advances in hygiene and medicine made it possible to reduce this mortality to less than 200 ‰ in the most advanced countries (150 in Great Britain, 170 in France).

In general, between 1995 and 2000, the infant mortality rate has decreased in all continents except Africa (However, the infant mortality rate in sub-Saharan Africa has increased from 174 per thousand in 1990 to 121 per thousand in 2010) . This increase is poorly understood and the reasons are likely to be multiple and complex. Thus the economic crises of the countries, the wars, but also the seropositivity to the HIV of the mother which makes that the new-borns have a rather bad index of vitality contribute to increase the mortality rate.


ps: if it was irony you forgot the tone and smileys that go with : Mrgreen: then it's not because the Bible advises that everyone can follow these tips ...
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by Janic » 30/05/17, 13:21

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then it's not because the Bible advises that everyone peut follow these tips ...
the bourgeois gentleman was prose without knowing it. Similarly, the washing of hands, tools likely to infect, floors, toilets, (it has become obsessive) everyone, not only can, but does not know it ... and that date of more than 3.000 years!
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