The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2

[Remundo]

and that's why there are HVDCs too.

and anyway it would be useful to move the derch on serious projects and real investments for the future. It turns out that by definition, electricity networks are all the more efficient the more they are extended, and especially with the emergence of renewable energies.

[sicetaitsimple]

I am told that East Germany and West Germany are reunited.

Yes. And?

[Obamot]

I am told that East Germany and West Germany are reunited.

Decidedly, Kiki is arguing with everyone, it is undoubtedly “ukulele effect"

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

I am told that East Germany and West Germany are reunited.

Yes. And?

Well nothing, as in your reaction empty of meaning, source, substance.

[sicetaitsimple]

Germany is already struggling to transfer its electricity from wind power, produced mainly in the North, to the South of the country ....

Source?

The one you want .... Type "germany electricity congestion" and you already have more than 2.000.000 responses. You have the right to stop at the first page ....

[Exnihiloest]

blah blah ...

the thousands of km of high voltage lines are already drawn on the continents.

To cross the oceans, a HVDC (high voltage direct current) network must be deployed, the losses of which are of the order of 3% / 1000 km for lines carrying around 10 GW.

The peaceful link is a little longer (8000 km)

Going through direct current has another advantage, you can wave it at the frequency you want, namely connecting networks that do not have the same frequency (two major standards 50 and 60 Hz in the world)

The Atlantic is about 5000 km wide, it is the only big link to be built, because everything is already wired in America, Europe and as far as Japan. In the first approximation, we would have 1% losses, but undoubtedly less by increasing the number of lines, and passing as little power as possible.

We know very well how to deploy transoceanic submarine telecommunication cables:

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from Tokyo to New York, there must be around 12 hours of jet lag, that's just what we need.

This would limit the need for storage in the process.

but all this requires that Europe, Asia and America come to an agreement ... it would also be good to bring Africa in the project.

"let everyone get along" : this is where it will block.

We have already had the same problem with DESERTEC, which was centered on the Europe-North Africa - Middle East zone and which collapsed for political reasons.

When you are in ideology, but neither in engineering nor in commerce, everything is theoretically possible. And we mix anything like telecom cables with cables for energy.

Of course you can pull high voltage lines from thousands of km into the oceans, using millions of tons of metals, so much insulation because, I don't know if you know about it, when it comes to 500 kV to 1 MV and thousands of amperes to pass under water, we are far from the "small" copper cables of telecommunications.
How to stay below breakdown voltages with a submarine cable when in the air it is in meters that we count the distances between a conductor and any other object likely to trigger an arc? Even the best materials (and at what cost, and how well over time?) Would require tens of centimeters around the conductor, but much more likely beyond a meter.

And the densification of the terrestrial network required by the scattering of sources, all the power electronics necessary to regulate the stability of the network, the theoretical progress to be made to guarantee this stability with such long lines, and the price to pay, we the ?

We simply do not have the engineering for that while remaining realistic about the means, and we are very, very far from it.

The ideology is to suggest that a utopia can become reality, but without providing any scientific, technical or financial argument for this possibility.

[Remundo]

you're right Nihilo.

Live with engineers and live thinkers like you who are not in ideology.

you should calculate the masses of copper needed and compare them to the annual extraction before messing around with nonsense.

PS: nihilo: nothingness.

CCHT lines are not fiction, find out.

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

PS: nihilo: nothingness.

Anyway any dialogue with this branque is useless since (already, it soliloquizes):
Disaster-human-natural / the-tale-of-warming-and-the-fight-against-the-co2-t15854-10.html # p348655

[sicetaitsimple]

and anyway it would be useful to move the derch on serious projects and real investments for the future. It turns out that by definition, electricity networks are all the more efficient the more they are extended, and especially with the emergence of renewable energies.

This is why there is (for Europe) a "Ten Years Network Development Plan" proposed by the association of electricity carriers (ENSTOE) in order to prioritize the projects of the most interest.

https://tyndp.entsoe.eu/

[Exnihiloest]

you're right Nihilo.

Live with engineers and live thinkers like you who are not in ideology.

Scarecrow Sophism

you should calculate the masses of copper needed and compare them to the annual extraction before messing around with nonsense.

PS: nihilo: nothingness.

CCHT lines are not fiction, find out.

The lines are not a fiction, the Russians have been making direct current high voltage lines over great distances for decades, and I haven't waited for you to talk about it on forum specialized.

Yet another cheating: to make us believe that in the oceans, it would be as simple as on earth, or that the enormous deployment new of materials, techniques, research, which it would be necessary to produce and pay for to be able to use solar inter-terrestrial diurnal / nocturnal zones, would be within the domain of the possible and ecologically of interest.

We are waiting for your calculations, you who are so quick to ask them to others when it is you who are proposing this solution. But if you ask others for them, it's because you don't have them. And we recognize the ideology here: put the cart before the horse, and ask the horse, the engineers taken for idiots not to have thought of the miracle solutions of our omniscient environmentalists who never do anything, to push their plow. .

It is all the same astounding these piles of circumstantial arguments. Short circuits are all good, they tell us. But for energy, and we won't tell you why, it is better to produce it in Petaouchnock, Siberia, to use it in Trifouilly-les-Oies, Berry!