The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2

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Re: The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2




by Leo Maximus » 20/01/19, 16:43

izentrop wrote:
A more precise dating by accelerator mass spectrometry makes it possible to estimate the age before calibration at 4 546 ± 15 years https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi ... 9ristiques
http://www.ac-grenoble.fr/disciplines/s ... ct4_d1.htm

Very well ! Ötzi has "rejuvenated" by about 500 years :) .

Ötzi is a "fuse" that has lasted 4546 years because the maximum temperatures he has experienced have remained very low (-6 or -7 °?).

The “climatic optima” of the past could never have had the amplitude of the current warming because Ötzi would have disappeared.
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by Leo Maximus » 20/01/19, 16:53

ENERC wrote:Great anything that history of glaciers and Hannibal.
He passed by Savine pass or Clapier pass at 2477 m.

I often go on a hike to this pass and I have never seen ice, nor even snow. Italian side, it's south and hot. On the Maurienne Valley, there is a well-sheltered plain of altitude which heats well, then a steep descent towards the valley.
It is passable for elephants from mid May to November.

Absolutely, In 1959, an English had organized a crossing of the Alps with an elephant:

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... the fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2




by geo444 » 21/01/19, 12:51

Exnihiloest wrote:... the Americans - with their Cold wave - should they do more CO2?

No ! Izentrop has 100% Reason:
- Winter Cold Waves in North America are Accented by Warming,
the cause, Jet Current (-Stream) going further south:
https://www.google.fr/search?&q=Courant ... ir+Polaire
= to simplify too much ...

geo444 wrote:
ENERC wrote:When some say that a few more degrees do not hurt:
[Temperature maps at ~ 50 ° C in Australia! ]
Obviously temperatures in the shade ...

Thank you for posting these Cards of the Southern Furnace!
... they corroborate this Guardian article:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... c-forecast
= 50 ° C more than here in the morning !!
It's still crazy that a "Techno Rich" country emits as much CO2 as Australia:
- Australia in Bright Red for the Total Emissions of CO2 / Habitant!
- Australia in Bright Red for Coal Consumption by Habitant!
- Australia in Bright Red for CO2 Emissions / kWh of Electricity = approx. ~ 900g CO2 / kWh after India!
> There is no point in driving an electric car over there!
Too bad by having such a Potential in Solar and Wind, especially that it's not the place they miss! ...

the Australian Catastrophe at ~ 50 ° C the Day and ... ~36 ° C Night... keep on going :
http://www.meteo-paris.com/actualites-m ... -2019.html

... if some are not Not convinced yet that we undergo a Increased Greenhouse Effect :
https://www.google.com/search?&q=Nights ... +than+Days

Since we know very well the trapping of heat by the CO2 ...
+ the fact that since ~ 2 centuries we burn All Carbon Fossil possible in CO2 in the Atmosphere ...
= we know since ~ 35 years that it leads there:
https://www.google.fr/search?&q=Effet+d ... +sur+Venus
- Atmosphere Venus : ~ 300 km
- Atmo Venus pressure: ~ 93 bar
- Percentage of CO2: ~ 96%
- Ground temperature of Venus: ~ 462 ° C = 735 Kelvin
- Without his 96% CO2, Drop = ~420 Kelvin!
- Without Clouds: Drop = ~ 140 Kelvin
- Without water vapor, Drop = ~ 70 Kelvin

by understanding a little bit that ... it's impossible to stay Climato-Skeptical! :)

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by Christophe » 21/01/19, 13:11

Well spoken and argued geo! 8)
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by Exnihiloest » 22/01/19, 17:32

geo444 wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:... the Americans - with their Cold wave - should they do more CO2?

No ! Izentrop has 100% Reason:
- Winter Cold Waves in North America are Accented by Warming,
the cause, Jet Current (-Stream) going further south:
https://www.google.fr/search?&q=Courant ... ir+Polaire
...

I would have bet. Weather events are always taken as a demonstration of global warming. That it is cold, hot, is the fault of warming. At this point, and while we are rehashing that we must distinguish between climate and weatherit becomes grotesque. Assert one thing and its opposite is highly suspect, in addition to a small problem of logic that hurts my rationality :)it is rarely intellectual indigence and much more often manipulation.
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by Exnihiloest » 22/01/19, 21:57

I had missed that when it came out: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8816300931

The author of the article, Professor Philippe de Larminat, applied the proven techniques for identifying dynamic systems to the Earth's climate, using paleoclimatic databases available in major institutes and international organizations. It follows that "with a probability level of 90%, we can not reject the hypothesis of a zero anthropogenic contribution". While "the hypothesis of low sensitivity to solar activity must be rejected with a probability level higher than 90%."

Conversely, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) considers that "it is highly probable that human influence is the dominant cause of the warming observed since the middle of the XNUMXth century", this on the basis of the "Detection and Attribution" theory, explicitly devoted to the anthropogenic attribution of recent climate change.
The article presents and clarifies the causes of this contradiction.
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by Ahmed » 22/01/19, 22:31

He used a "black box" with simplified parameters, but climatic phenomena are complex and their modeling sensitive to small input variations: here is what one of his colleagues thinks about it:
http://christophevieren.fr/changement-c ... -ou-excroc
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Re: The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2




by izentrop » 24/01/19, 22:20

It will please Exnihlo but for the others, we did not leave the brambles : Shock: https://www.clubic.com/mag/environnemen ... tique.html

Good! at the same time, it's called LibertyCon : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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Re: The fable of anthropogenic warming and the fight against CO2




by Exnihiloest » 07/02/19, 19:37

Not only does it not heat up right now in the US, but it's double the penalty, because the CO2 economy of electric cars is achieved thanks to the battery, but a battery that has to heat a car in an environment -50 ° C in addition to rolling the car, and being less efficient at low temperatures, discharges very quickly.
https://fr.motor1.com/news/303956/voitu ... tats-unis/
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