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by Christophe » 31/03/11, 15:05

Absolutely. It's the BR3 (Mox) that is the worst ...
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by Christophe » 01/04/11, 09:51

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by Christophe » 02/04/11, 10:13

Christophe wrote:Neither map nor infographic but HD photos:

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp ... photos.htm


The video of the flyover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M22Gt4sswEA

Saving the .zip HD (better resolution than on the page):

https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... hotos2.zip
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... photos.zip
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by Christophe » 03/04/11, 19:49

Leo Maximus wrote:A map of the contamination / irradiation of the Fukushima region (US Embassy):

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In the area limited by a dose of 100 millisieverts (or 10 Rems) live 2 million people !!!!! : Shock: : Evil: :!:

We can only speak of a nuclear "disaster" when there are at least 129 million people irradiated, yet Japan is only populated by 128 million people, so there will never be a nuclear disaster in Japan. : Cheesy:

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Source: https://www.econologie.com/forums/accident-n ... 10579.html
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by dedeleco » 03/04/11, 21:43

I would like to have the precise source of this map because the rems is a dose suffered by a human in a certain time to specify:
an hour, a day, a month, a year, a life of 100ans, 1000ans, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roentgen_equivalent_man

10 rems is the average dose of natural radioactivity received in a lifetime of 100ans = 876000h about 0,114microsievert / h !!

I have the impression that the long-distance dose that becomes constant is the natural one over a lifetime !!

Also check how these rems are calculated is essential, because it is hoped that the radioactivity dispersed by the plant will not last 100ans with this enormous intensity of 100millisievert / h understood by Christophe, comparing to Chernobyl!
So know the exact unit, rems / h or rems / life of 100ans !! is fundamental !!
You do not have the right to mix brushes in units that differ by almost a million hours over a lifetime. !!

Also I would like to have the exact text of the map, but there is a good chance that these 10rems are on a lifetime, as they become constant at long distance from the plant.

In this case it is necessary to strongly reduce the catastrophism, and to be realistic by becoming aware that on a life the dose of natural radioactivity is rather strong !!
And you have to be very careful about the various units that mislead.

In addition, the level of scattered radiation with a uniform two-dimensional constant flux must decrease as the inverse of the distance, which is rather slow (like the circumference of the circle).

But the dose decreases faster. So a good part falls very quickly decreasing the flux at long distance, true for large and heavy particles, but not fine.
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by Christophe » 03/04/11, 22:38

Absolutely...

You have to ask Leo for the exact source (he says US embassy, ​​did you look for it?), I only copied / pasted his message in full.

As 1 REM = 0.01 Sv = 10 mSv and given the scales and effects, it is possible that we are in rem / day?

5400 rem / day in the central = 54 Sv / day = 2.25 Sv / h = lethal dose in 4-5h without protection ... it could stick ...

At 10 km we would receive the lethal dose (10 Sv or 1000 Rems) in 1000 / 80 = 12 day 1 / 2 !!
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by dedeleco » 03/04/11, 23:55

Unlikely because the dose becomes fixed at 13, 12, 10, 10rems at 20, 30, 40, 50km away, stuck at 10rems, instead of decreasing much more to zero.
So I think it is a dose evaluated for a lifetime as when the radioactivity lasts for life!
In addition there is agreement on the value of a life with natural radioactivity.
What date was this measure taken ???

Otherwise it is a huge dose at long term constant long distance!

The sperm dose is 2 to 5 Sieverts with suffering, a dose that depends on the duration of survival.
At 1 Sievert we bronze and we get away badly, direct to the hospital.

Units that have no concrete meaning for many people are distorted and lose their true real meaning often.
I searched for US Embassy but not found!
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by Leo Maximus » 04/04/11, 10:55

The link is here. This is a NY Times estimate of possible exposure map from the March 25:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... -zone.html

It caused some panic in Japan!

But the fact is that there are polluted areas located at 40 km from Fukushima where the hourly dose is 200 Rems, following the explosion on the reactor No. 3, the wind blowing towards the land for a few hours, no of bowl.

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by dedeleco » 04/04/11, 12:40

This link does not answer the night in NY !!
but the day yes!

This map link of the nytimes full of huge rems answered !!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... -zone.html
indicated on
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post199256.html#199256

It is an imaginary theoretical evaluation:

Based on an analysis by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission possible predictions radiation levels assuming conditions at the degrade plant. It is not based on current radiological conditions


An absurdity without relation to reality !!
Worse than Chernobyl !!
And the dose is that accumulated on a life underdog because the duration of exposure before death is that if you live there all your life, shortened if too close!
Moreover the dose becomes independent of the distance to 10 rems with all the irradiated planet to 10rems, dose received on a life !!!
And with the notation for this dose the blood chemistry changes:
blood chemistry changes
which explains why we are dying old by the natural irradiation which has become excessive !!
We must avoid the slightest radiation in addition to any origin!

So the exact conditions of calculation must be written precisely, otherwise absurdities and panic!

But if we have 200rems (in how long?) If by hour or by day, it's huge and the area will be evacuated at full speed, because deadly in a few days and the number of deaths by radiation would be higher now to that by the tsunami saw the population.

Otherwise, as it seems to me almost certain, this is an error on the denomination of the unit, (the journalist having put Rems instead of the correct denomination), the natural radioactivity value being 10 at far, 200 corresponds to 20 times the natural radioactivity, which corresponds to figures given elsewhere as Grenpeace, for some places, and the unit is then in 0,01 microSievert / h, as on my personal dosimeter bought a very long time ago .

Greenpeace did not make this salad.
http://www.greenpeace.org/international ... blog/33961
http://www.greenpeace.org/international ... blog/33961

It gives values ​​on Google map of radiations the 26 march north near the accessible zone limit of 20 to 100microSieverts / h, which gives a dose equal to the radioactivity suffered in one year, between 2 and 3 days at 8hours (100microsieverts is 1000 times the natural 0,1) but not the lethal dose in a day if it's 200rems !!, because all the inhabitants would already be dead !!)
And Greenpeace would count the dead in its members!

So take the values ​​of Greenpeace with precise and consistent units!
Not the imaginary rems of the nytimes who write anything in units !!! And he seems to have deleted his fake card.

Even 10 times the natural radioactivity is serious if it lasts a long time more than a few days, especially with inhaled dust that worsen a lot like a lottery !!
Indeed the natural radioactivity is strong enough for if multiplied by 10 (and worse by 100) a deadly dose in a life !!!

Finally TEPCO rejects at sea 11500tonnes of radioactive water at the news, weak ???
The Japanese will not eat their fish !!
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by Christophe » 04/04/11, 13:59

From my answer from here: https://www.econologie.com/forums/post199276.html#199276

Christophe wrote:(...)

I re-read the link of Nytimes and I think I understood: this card is the dose we took people (without protection I presume) in the respective areas at 16 march and since the beginning of the disaster (ie in less than a week and so much more since!)

It is not based on current radiological conditions. It includes factors such as containment systems and others. Here are the results of the analysis on March 16.

(...)

Source: Nuclear Regulatory Commission; Environmental Protection Agency; Robert Meck, health physicist, Science and Technology Systems; LandScan 2009 population dataset / UT-Battelle (population estimates)


ps:
Finally TEPCO rejects at sea 11500tonnes of radioactive water at the news, weak ???


There it is you who forgot the unity of time : Mrgreen:
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