Hiroshima, Nagasaki 70 years later. Uplifting!

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Hiroshima, Nagasaki 70 years later. Uplifting!




by GuyGadebois » 11/11/19, 20:49

If the Ricans were not there ...

I find it hard to understand why some Americans have not been tried for crimes against humanity.
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by Janic » 12/11/19, 13:03

tonight on fr2 "apocalypse: war of the worlds" episode 4; 5; 6
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by Christophe » 12/11/19, 13:32

GuyGadebois wrote:I find it hard to understand why some Americans have not been tried for crimes against humanity.


Finally because they won! What question!! : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

If you don't believe me ask yourself if the Nuremberg trial would have taken place in case of Nazi victory? : Cheesy:

History books are written by the winners! Something I learned ... at the end of my schooling (not before bigre ...)

France is not badly placed (but no worse or better than the Americans or our other allies) in the censorship (sorry "omission" : Cheesy: ) history ...

This subject is precisely treated at the moment in the cinema in the film I accuse:

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by GuyGadebois » 12/11/19, 14:08

Christophe wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:I find it hard to understand why some Americans have not been tried for crimes against humanity.


Finally because they won! What question!! : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

I know it was a rhetorical question.
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by Grelinette » 12/11/19, 17:14

GuyGadebois wrote:I find it hard to understand why some Americans have not been tried for crimes against humanity.

Also because in times of conflict all belligerents commit atrocities that amount to crimes against humanity. In this documentary it is also said that the Japanese had committed it, against the Chinese I believe, and feared that the Americans coming to see the damage of their bomb would commit it on the surviving population ...

A few days ago in a docu TV on the war in Algeria, French fighters (military and conscripts) explained that the terrible circumstances of this war pushed them to commit the unspeakable, and those who did not thank the heaven not to have been in situations where they would probably also have committed acts of cruelty without limit.
(This violence which most of us are capable of, is highlighted by theMilgram experience).

That said, those who could be held accountable are those who give orders, military and political commands ... But they most often stay safe and withdrawn in their country, and can always say that they do not were unaware of the crimes on the conflict grounds. Without forgetting, as it is said in the documentary, that the decisions which provoke crimes are often secret and generally discovered long after the facts, and when those responsible are then old and no longer present any danger.

Recently, we learned that there were still Nazis responsible for crimes in 39-45 who went unpunished. They are now over 90 years old. The question arises whether it is still worth asking them to account.
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by sen-no-sen » 12/11/19, 17:17

GuyGadebois wrote:I find it hard to understand why some Americans have not been tried for crimes against humanity.


As Christophe said, the story is written by the victors (1), the use of bombs via two different technologies (revolver gun for Hiroshima and peach heart for Nagasaki) were used to determine the effects on large-scale populations / guinea pigs.
In addition, the use of nuclear weapons marked a clear split in contemporary history, with arsenals of this kind making a world conflict impossible, confirming 75 years of relative world peace.
For a number of decision-makers (rather US) the use of "La Bombe" was a necessary evil (2).



(1) The French army during the colonization of Algeria used the process of the enfumade(ancestor of the gas chamber ...) against Maghreb populations (Dahra smokers June 18, 1845)https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfumades_d%27Alg%C3%A9rie, the French army of the time having nothing to envy the SS and the mass murders of Oradour-sur-Glane.

(2) Conflicts obey the principles of statistical mechanics, the increase in technological capacity thus leads to an increase in the number of deaths close to the square, almost 17 million for WW1 and 68 million for WW2. It is very likely that WW3 reportedly killed 400 million people. Nuclear arsenals through politics MAD (mutual assured destruction) have helped to stagnate the situation at a stage close to the 19th century, reducing conflicts at regional or interregional levels.
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by GuyGadebois » 12/11/19, 18:08

Grelinette wrote:Recently, we learned that there were still Nazis responsible for crimes in 39-45 who went unpunished. They are now over 90 years old. The question arises whether it is still worth asking them to account.

Von Braun was never punished but retrained by the USA with a good number of German scholars and doctors (1), the CIA hired more than 1000 Nazi executives in their anti-communist struggle (2) and certain American firms continued to do business with Germany until 1943 via Switzerland (3).

1: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... irefox-b-d

2: https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/2 ... spions.php
https://www.lci.fr/international/etats- ... 59393.html

3: https://www.lecanardrépublicain.net/spip.php?article726
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by Ahmed » 12/11/19, 18:11

The smoke was then perfected during the Algerian war: after the Palestro attack, the "rebels" took refuge in a cave and, according to a witness * who reported the fact to me, chloropicrin (probably) was blown using some kind of blower. The next day, those who were not dead and who surrendered were killed with a knife by the marine commandos ...

* My witness is credible, he was present on the first day and the events of the second were reported to him. However, I have not been able to cross-check the facts since nobody is officially boasting about them today and it is possible that there is confusion with similar facts.
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by GuyGadebois » 12/11/19, 18:23

sen-no-sen wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:For a number of decision-makers (rather US) the use of "The Bomb" was a necessary evil.
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This explanation did not hold at the time and the decommissioned documents proved that Japan was bloodless and ready to capitulate on the condition that the emperor be left on his throne. The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (as well as that of 66 Japanese cities) mainly affected civilians (voluntarily). It is absolutely monstrous.
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"... Secretary of War Stimson, while at headquarters in Germany, informed me of the preparations for the dropping of an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were many reasons. convincing to question the wisdom of such an act. But the secretary ... seemed to expect vigorous consent. As he enumerated me a list of relevant arguments, I felt more and more depressed and this is how I let him know my serious forebodings: first, that I was convinced that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely useless; moreover, I thought that our country should avoid shocking the world opinion by resorting to a weapon the use of which was no longer obligatory to save American lives. I was sure that Japan, at this crucial moment, was seeking a way of surrender with minimum loss front".
https://blogs.mediapart.fr/yves-lenoir/ ... politicien
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by sen-no-sen » 12/11/19, 19:03

GuyGadebois wrote:This explanation did not hold at the time and the decommissioned documents proved that Japan was bloodless and ready to capitulate on the condition that the emperor be left on his throne. The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (as well as that of 66 Japanese cities) mainly affected civilians (voluntarily). It is absolutely monstrous.


Yes, it is clear that the traditional bombardments had also caused as many victims (bombing of Tokyo 100 victims approximately).
However, the use of the nuclear bomb was primarily aimed at warning the world (and especially the Russians!) Of American military power and the change of paradigm. This disruption notably marked a decisive step in the epic ecocidal human *, since from this period international economic exchanges have intensified considerably, allowing the development of a new model of saturation via Anglo-American capitalism and the authoritarian socialist republics.


* It does not appear in any history textbook, but the 3rd world war took place well. This war was of a new kind from where are absence of the textbooks: it was the war against the biosphere. In particular via the atmospheric, aquatic, space and underground use of nearly 2000 nuclear and thermonuclear launches against our planet ensuring high-intensity trade and allowing the artificialization of the world.
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