Fires in Australia were preventable

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Re: Fires in Australia were preventable




by Exnihiloest » 17/09/21, 15:23

Christophe wrote:
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Only for those who do not know how to make an eco-balance sheet correctly and who should do their self-assessment!

Arguments ad personam.
Always so null, your pseudo-argumentation disguised in humor with 2 balls.

The preventive fires practiced since always by the aborigines have been banned or reduced following ecological pressure. The ecologists always believe themselves superior to the men who preceded them, they want to ignore the reasons for the acts of their ancestors, while this attitude alone shows that they are complete idiots.
The catastrophic eco-balance sheet of these fires, which also cost human lives, is to be blamed. The positive impact on phytoplankton is not to their credit since these morons had no idea at the start. It just verifies the adage that "to something, bad luck is good", adage that they would be well inspired to have in mind when they claim that all human activities, except those which they advocate, harm the planet . But let's not dream, the heads of morons only come out cretinies.
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Re: Fires in Australia were preventable




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 17/09/21, 16:05

Exnihiloest wrote:The preventive fires practiced since always by the aborigines have been banned or reduced following ecological pressure.

False, again. One more lie. The aborigines were dispossessed of this right and this secular know-how by the "invaders, the colonists, the whites". This problem is very Anglo-Saxon / Anglo-Saxon and the natives have nothing to do with it. As for these "environmentalists", I repeat from the beginning: they are idiots.
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by Exnihiloest » 19/09/21, 23:13

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
Exnihiloest wrote:The preventive fires practiced since always by the aborigines have been banned or reduced following ecological pressure.

False, again. One more lie. The aborigines were dispossessed of this right and this secular know-how by the "invaders, the colonists, the whites". This problem is very Anglo-Saxon / Anglo-Saxon and the natives have nothing to do with it. As for these "environmentalists", I repeat from the beginning: they are idiots.
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He doesn't understand anything and accuses others of lies, based on his lack of understanding.

Preventive fires have always been practiced before ecological pressure. By the aborigines first, then organized by the authorities in the general interest, aborigines or not, until ecological pressures succeed in reducing them.
The fact that the Aborigines were allegedly "dispossessed" of this "right" is irrelevant to the issue. Moreover it was never a "right", and with the ecologists it is not any more it any more.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 19/09/21, 23:24

You definitely do not understand anything and demonstrate the collapse of your mind, well, let's say its remainder. The aborigines know how to do, those who replaced and dispossessed them (and of their land and their practices) not. The proof.
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by Exnihiloest » 20/09/21, 19:24

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:You definitely do not understand anything and demonstrate the collapse of your mind, well, let's say its remainder. The aborigines know how to do, those who replaced and dispossessed them (and of their land and their practices) not. The proof.

Complete debility, disinformation, as usual he speaks without knowing anything about the subjects.
The aborigines know how to do it and those who replaced them, too. It had been working for decades.
It is only recently that ecological pressure has been heard, followed, and screwed up shit to preserve small birds by reducing preventive fires. The result: gigantic fires, many more birds died, and humans too. Humans, ecologists do not care, ecologism is nature über alles. But as in addition they are counterproductive ...
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Re: Fires in Australia were preventable




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 20/09/21, 20:06

For many Aboriginal leaders, the crisis facing Australia reveals the failure of blind land management.

..... Member of the Bundjalungs, original guardians of the northern coastal area of ​​New South Wales, Oliver Costello cowardly, not without bitterness: "We have been telling people for a while that big fires are coming. No one listened to us. ”The aboriginal populations, the first known human beings to have populated the mainland of Australia, learned to manage and calm the risks of mega-fires thanks to a specific knowledge of local ecosystems and burns reasoned and carefully controlled.
“Before colonization, the tribes followed the law of the land by managing the relationships of local plants and animals, which have their own identity and their own behavior, with fire. When you burn the right way, you get the right animals, the right plants, and the right people in the right places. When you burn badly, you disrupt these relationships, ”said Oliver Costello, head of Firesticks, an organization that ensures the conservation of Indigenous fire and land management practices.

..... Unlike Western techniques, cultural burning takes a holistic approach synchronized with the seasons, the gestation periods of the animals, the sowing and planting periods. Westerners call this an "ecosystem"; Aborigines use the word "kinship". It is a complex system that determines how living things interact with each other and their roles, responsibilities and obligations to each other and to the earth.

Less effective Western techniques
The destructuring of old management practices has made vegetation more flammable and populations more vulnerable. Already in 1990, researcher Phil Cheney, member of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) published a scientific article on the current management of forest fires in Australia: twenty years have been entrusted to the management services of the parks which have little experience of fire management, the possibility appears to see in the future large fires more frequent and probably more destructive. The public at large is deprived of the skills of fire management which have been painstakingly and painstakingly acquired for over a hundred years. "

..... Respect for the seasons is another fundamental element. With colonization, the Gregorian calendar became established and the year was divided into four seasons. However, the European notions of summer, autumn, winter and spring are totally inadequate to classify the Australian seasons, which are very diverse. For example, on Wardaman land, west of Katherine town in the Northern Territory, it is currently Yijilg, a late summer marked by heavy precipitation. Some territories see six different seasons per year, others more, others less.

“Westerners use dates and fuel conditions to know when to burn. They do not use the values, the kinship, the cultural laws which govern the territory and very often end up applying the wrong type of fire, deplores Oliver Costello. Often the fires are too hot. They damage and burn the canopy. The ground is therefore found naked, plagued by sunlight. This speeds up the regeneration of shrubs that crowd out grasses, grasses, ferns and other terrestrial species, and allows more combustible material to grow. ”It's a vicious circle.


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Re: Fires in Australia were preventable




by Exnihiloest » 20/09/21, 21:18

Gadget bazards us the opinion of a person and generalities, it's cherry picking with political blah.

The facts relate to the great Australian fires of 2019-2020. The reality is this:
  • Protesters in Nowa Nowa, eastern Gippsland, halt preventative fires
  • Complaints of baby bird deaths saw 370 ha of planned burns reduced to 9 ha
  • 29 people and 1 billion animals were killed and 10 million hectares burned in mega fires

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"Preventive fires had to be dropped due to protests over damage to wildlife (pictured), although authorities insisted they were needed to limit bushfires"

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https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video/mo ... 963352.mp4

"The department reduced the planned burning from 370 hectares to just nine hectares, which would prove a catastrophic decision as Australia entered a catastrophic summer.
Just two months later, the town's 200 residents were due for emergency evacuation as the East Gippsland bushfire - which killed four people, destroyed 340 homes and burned 1 million hectares - raged
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How a small group of Green protesters managed to stop preventative fires in East Gippsland over fears of baby bird deaths - before fires ravaged the area, killing four people and forcing mass evacuations from the beach :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... hfire.html
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 20/09/21, 21:54

You are really a poor guy, a victim of your obsessions which prevent you from being lucid and / or interesting.
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by Exnihiloest » 20/09/21, 22:07

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:You are really a poor guy, a victim of your obsessions which prevent you from being lucid and / or interesting.

The usual ad personam argumentum and the insults of a junk ideologue lost in political delirium, unable to face reality or stick to the facts. And in addition he is astonished that he is despised!
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 20/09/21, 22:11

The reality is that, not your delusions about these idiots of militant environmentalists of my two:
Already in 1990, researcher Phil Cheney, member of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) published a scientific article on the current management of forest fires in Australia: twenty years are entrusted to the management services of the parks which have little experience of fire management, the possibility appears to see in the future large fires more frequent and probably more destructive. The public at large is deprived of the skills of fire management which have been painstakingly and painstakingly acquired for over a hundred years. "

And he was right, CQFD.
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