Counterproductive environmental measures

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Re: Counterproductive environmental measures




by Exnihiloest » 06/07/21, 22:24

Janic wrote:
"Feeding the land between two cultures is what peasants have been doing for millennia. But these practices are now threatened by agricultural methanization."
https://lejournalminimal.fr/confisquer- ... ourriture/
you must have misread the article you are quoting then!

It is perfectly clear.

On the one hand, green people are finding that methanization is a problem:

"In the past, between two cultures to feed humans, one intercropped to feed Nature! It was intercropping, an ancestral technique that allowed peasants, with manure and the recycling of all organic matter, the rotations and fallow land, to protect and enhance their land. But now, our rulers want to use the plants from these crops to make gas! "
https://lejournalminimal.fr/confisquer- ... ourriture/

These eco-clowns accuse the government while it is their clan that the government has followed, through the ecological transition!
And I prove it. Because before this observation, other eco-clowns have been there, who thoroughly promote anaerobic digestion:

"From an economic point of view, the integration of anaerobic digestion into production systems must represent an opportunity for the farm to gain autonomy by reducing its dependence on inputs, or even on energy, and to participate in reducing its costs. "
"Anaerobic digestion should make it possible to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions compared to a fossil energy production sector and contribute to reducing emissions from the agricultural sector."
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WWF, March 2020 report

Is there only one opinion here on "intercropping", "rotations", "fallows", "recycling of all organic materials"? On these risks of anaerobic digestion?
No.

Result: a denial, "it is the fault of the government"; the usual ecological irresponsibility, always asking for one thing and its opposite, they do not assume any of their bullshit.
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Re: Counterproductive environmental measures




by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 06/07/21, 22:34

Methanization does not pose a problem. THIS way of methanizing (cultivating to make biomass) in pose. You do it on purpose ? Ahmed explained it well, taking pellets as an example. Certain unfortunate political choices taint virtuous initiatives (again cronyism towards large landowners who do not know what to do with their land), we have a good example here. Environmentalists are therefore right to criticize the method.
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by Ahmed » 06/07/21, 22:55

What prompts a methanization policy must be linked to the observation that the specialization of agriculture has produced waste in livestock regions, as in Brittany, and that manure no longer reaches the cereal regions which, themselves are embarrassed by their straws. Governments have straddled (sic!) This opportunity to promote a "solution" allowing the continuation of this agricultural model, with the possibility of developing a new sector making it possible to make good speeches, to make work the big boxes and to dangle a few. crumbs to farmers.

That certain ecologists (because the "corporation" is anything but uniform!) Demonstrate a cruel lack of theoretical foundations which lead them not to understand the fatal mechanism which will distort their initial good intentions is not however exclusive to these movements, since it is a generalized attitude ...

In addition, everything that appears today is necessarily presented as "green", so we must not dwell too much on apparent contradictions: they are the consequence of this mode of presentation of innovations.
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by Exnihiloest » 07/07/21, 22:04

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:Methanization does not pose a problem. THIS way of methanizing (cultivating to make biomass) in pose ...

This is what I have just explained at length. At this level of blinders, it is not possible!
"THIS way of methanization" is pure and simple methanization, the one that the WWF recommended. If there were risks, they had to be anticipated, prevented, and specified in the protocols. None of that in the WWF report.

Environmentalism advocates new systems, and when it sees problems, afterwards because of course too sure of his infused science and too narrow-minded to anticipate them he never sees anything coming, he accuses others or the government which set them up!
Irresponsibility and denial of his bullshit, as for the ban on preventive fires in Australia or pollution by wind turbines, they screw up ... then shoot each other: "It's not our fault, you shouldn't do it like that. .. "
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by Exnihiloest » 07/07/21, 22:23

Ahmed wrote:...
That certain ecologists (because the "corporation" is anything but uniform!) Demonstrate a cruel lack of theoretical foundations which lead them not to understand the fatal mechanism which will distort their initial good intentions is not however exclusive to these movements, since it is a generalized attitude ...
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I understand it well. But when we claim to save the planet and defend future generations, the fact that we have "a cruel lack of theoretical foundations" or the non-exclusivity of a "fatal mechanism which will distort their initial good intentions", is not an excuse is an aggravating factor. Hell is paved with good intentions. I call it farting higher than your ass.

Or we limit our ambitions to the height of our capabilities, and then there will surely be fewer problems.
Or, what is done today, we pretend to be the saviors of the planet, we throw things that we barely understand, that we do not master, that we present as miracle solutions while denigrating the methods classics by taking those who used them for polluters or incompetent, but then when we screw up, we say so and we assume our responsibilities. We do not shirk, nor we do not discard on the government, which is unconsciousness or cowardice.
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by Obamot » 07/07/21, 23:21

Nicely said, but still no answer to my question from 3 days ago ...
Obamot wrote:Did I understand anything about your various ideological remarks on methanization?

In figures STP: What are the tolerated VS acceptable emissions in the livestock sector per thousand head of cattle?
Just so that we understand something based on the tangible. : Cheesy:

natural-human-disasters / counter-productive-ecological-measures-t16286-310.html # p453636
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 08/07/21, 12:34

Exnihiloest wrote:"THIS way of methanization" is pure and simple methanization, the one that the WWF recommended.

Source?
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by Christophe » 16/08/21, 18:22

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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 16/08/21, 18:49

Ah well, how strange! What I (and others) have denounced for years: This misguided zetetics in the service of industry, these false scientists who come to advertise for industrialists, etc, etc ... And Izy swallows everything! :(
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by ABC2019 » 16/08/21, 21:20

when science is used for political ends, it never makes good science.

This includes discussions on the RC of course.
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