Coronavirus, who or what and why? What origin?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

I think the "biological" origin of Sars-Cov2 is a second-rate debate ... unless one day someone manages to prove that it is a human creation ... and even if it does ... so what? What will happen? This will cause a lot of ink to flow and create controversy ... and after? The damage is done ... and we will never be able to find those responsible anyway ...

On the other hand, "abusive" globalization has greatly amplified the impact and that we can fight against! Quick and well !

For the moment, the important thing is rather to find ways to fight against ... right?

Oh yes....

We have left too much to do: travel, borders, gathering (football) without counting the criminal carefree attitude

March 11 “We will not give up anything. Especially not to laugh, to sing, to think, to love. Especially not on terraces, concert halls, summer evening parties. Especially not freedom. Especially not to our spirit of resistance which makes the Republic so great, France so strong. "

Bla bla bla

Containment March 16

[izentrop]

March 11 “We will not give up anything. Especially not to laugh, to sing, to think, to love. Especially not on terraces, concert halls, summer evening parties. Especially not freedom. Especially not to our spirit of resistance which makes the Republic so great, France so strong. "

It's better to avoid innuendo by quoting the full text and giving the source

In the face of the terrorist threat, we will not give up anything.
Especially not to laugh, to sing, to think, to love.
Especially not on terraces, concert halls, summer evening parties.
Especially not freedom.
Especially not to our spirit of resistance which makes the Republic so great, France so strong.

[Obamot]

I think the "biological" origin of Sars-Cov2 is a second-rate debate ... unless one day someone manages to prove that it is a human creation ... and even if it does ... so what? What will happen? This will cause a lot of ink to flow and create controversy ... and after? The damage is done...and we will never find those responsible anyway ...

For a crime or “negligence” that will have killed between 500 and 000 million people (if not more)?

You can be sure that yes ...
P4 laboratories keep records of who (?) Enters, who leaves, when (?) And why (?) ... and for good reason!

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

March 11 “We will not give up anything. Especially not to laugh, to sing, to think, to love. Especially not on terraces, concert halls, summer evening parties. Especially not freedom. Especially not to our spirit of resistance which makes the Republic so great, France so strong. "

It's better to avoid innuendo by quoting the full text and giving the source

In the face of the terrorist threat, we will not give up anything.
Especially not to laugh, to sing, to think, to love.
Especially not on terraces, concert halls, summer evening parties.
Especially not freedom.
Especially not to our spirit of resistance which makes the Republic so great, France so strong.

And?

[izentrop]

Getting closer to containment is pernicious, isn't it?

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Getting closer to containment is pernicious, isn't it?

I think you said exactly what you had to say to illustrate the point I made.

[VetusLignum]

Ah no izy!
Virologist in this case !! Bunch of kids (twice)

Who cares who says it, as long as it comes from studies widely reviewed by their peers and not putting conspiratorial articles on the same level as what Vetus quotes.

https://www.pourquoidocteur.fr/Articles ... SARS-CoV-2
https://www.futura-sciences.com/sante/a ... lle-80101/

The RmYN02 virus does not prove that SARS-CoV-2 is of natural origin. It just shows that when 2 viruses co-infect the same species, a new virus can be formed by genetic recombination; what we already knew.
Today, we don't have the intermediate forms between SARS-CoV-2 and an animal virus, and we don't have forms of SARS-CoV-2 that are less optimized for humans than the circulating form, this is why, as long as we have not found these intermediate forms, the hypothesis of the leak of a virus manipulated in the laboratory having leaked will be the most plausible.

On the other hand, the word "conspirator" was just coined by some groups to denigrate those who criticize them, you should not fall into this trap. All of the articles I have cited are from knowledgeable researchers.

Today, the WIV is accused of having committed a fault, and all the articles which attempt to exonerate it (by defending the hypothesis of a natural evolution) come either from the VIW itself (that is the case of the one on RmYN02), or researchers close to the NIH (for example, Andersen), which funded work on genetic manipulation of the VIW coronavirus. So, I am willing that we listen to the word of the accused, but not that we take it as "word of the gospel". And then you saw it clearly, they were able to bring us a study with almost 100 patients all invented, you also do not think that they could invent us virus genomes that do not exist. Don't you find it weird that they are just now releasing genomes of viruses that were sometimes discovered several years ago (I am thinking of RaTG000)?

[Obamot]

If he / s thought (s) appropriately - I mean in the interest of the debate and to move it forward in a healthy, non-partisan, intelligent, coherent way and therefore based on facts that make sense: and what to go to the most likely constructive conclusion (without yielding to the ease of mainstream conformism) - you would know.

[VetusLignum]

For those interested, you can read the (partial translations of) reports on the 6 miners who suffered from viral pneumonia in 2012 after working in the Tongguan mine (where RaTG13 was discovered). RaTG13 cannot infect humans, so what is this mysterious virus that infected these miners, with symptoms very similar to SARS-CoV-2? Could it be precisely the ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 (a less contagious version, since there was no epidemic), which the WIV would have concealed from us?
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 2/download
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... 1/download

[izentrop]

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