Coronavirus, who or what and why? What origin?

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by VetusLignum » 01/04/21, 13:36

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:it's an open secret in fact ....

It's good to say that after the fact, eh. Ah he is strong Bozo.


We didn't know much, since we didn't follow these news, but people in the scientific community did; they knew new coronaviruses could emerge at any time, and vaccines like Moderna's (and possibly Pfizer too) were already ready before the pandemic began.
There is a huge market here: providing coronavirus vaccines every year, just like the flu. Except that coronaviruses and influenza are not quite the same bug, and that for coronaviruses, they may well not be in control.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 01/04/21, 13:38

VetusLignum wrote:Except that coronaviruses and influenza are not quite the same bug, and that for coronaviruses, they may well not be in control of the situation.

We can see it clearly from today ... Alas.
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by VetusLignum » 01/04/21, 13:51

GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
VetusLignum wrote:Except that coronaviruses and influenza are not quite the same bug, and that for coronaviruses, they may well not be in control of the situation.

We can see it clearly from today ... Alas.

In my opinion, it is especially next winter that the real catastrophe will occur. In the meantime, we'll have to take advantage of the summer.
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by Christophe » 01/04/21, 14:00

VetusLignum wrote:In my opinion, it is especially next winter that the real catastrophe will occur. In the meantime, we'll have to take advantage of the summer.


Maaaaiiieuuuhhh no! What are you going to invent here? You are a defeatist !!

Vaccines will save us !! : Mrgreen:
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by Obamot » 01/04/21, 15:32

VetusLignum wrote:
GuyGadeboisLeRetour wrote:
VetusLignum wrote:Except that coronaviruses and influenza are not quite the same bug, and that for coronaviruses, they may well not be in control of the situation.

We can see it clearly from today ... Alas.

In my opinion, it is especially next winter that the real catastrophe will occur. In the meantime, we'll have to take advantage of the summer.

The president said they were going to create 10 beds, (well, it becomes plot...reasonable)
We must make believe that vaccines work.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 01/04/21, 19:16

Obamot wrote:The president said they were going to create 10 beds, (well, it becomes plot...reasonable)
We must make believe that vaccines work.

Uh ... it's not by announcing that we are going to create thousands of beds to accommodate the dying that we will reduce the anxiety of the current climate, much less that we will convince people of the effectiveness of vaccines .... (or you were ironic) : Mrgreen:
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by Obamot » 01/04/21, 19:27

100%

In the current situation, I can say anything, it's still anger to nics. : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 02/04/21, 00:03

ABC2019 wrote:it's an open secret in fact, here is an article published in 2015 written by a reporter from USA Today and reporting many incidents kept more or less secret in US laboratories students of viruses (including coronaviruses)

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2015 ... /26530719/

and a recent article where she explains that the hypothesis of a leak can absolutely not be ruled out

https://eu.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinio ... 765985001/
Written by
Alison Young, Opinion Collaborator
That does not make it a scientific reference.
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by GuyGadeboisTheBack » 02/04/21, 00:12

izentrop wrote:Alison Young, Opinion Collaborator. That does not make it a scientific reference.

Isn't his brother the ACDC guitarist, by any chance? : Mrgreen:
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by ABC2019 » 02/04/21, 06:09

izentrop wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:it's an open secret in fact, here is an article published in 2015 written by a reporter from USA Today and reporting many incidents kept more or less secret in US laboratories students of viruses (including coronaviruses)

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/2015 ... /26530719/

and a recent article where she explains that the hypothesis of a leak can absolutely not be ruled out

https://eu.usatoday.com/in-depth/opinio ... 765985001/
Written by
Alison Young, Opinion Collaborator
That does not make it a scientific reference.

It is a journalist who wrote in 2015 that the laboratories which perform experiments on viruses refuse to give information on the strains they are studying, when journalists are investigating them. It is obviously not a scientist who will write this, since it reports a journalist experience, not scientists. And she wrote this before the coronavirus crisis, and as Christophe recalled, there had been many warnings from scientists about the dangers of these experiments.

So to summarize;
* for the past ten years, teams of virologists have been experimenting to increase the contagiousness of viruses for human cells, with the "laudable" aim of better understanding how they contaminate them.
* the American pioneers of these techniques collaborated with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, one of the researchers, Shi ZhengLi, is a specialist in coronaviruses. It was she and her team who isolated and sequenced the closest known natural virus to SARS-cov2, RaTG13
* virus laboratories are known to be reluctant to provide information on the strains they are working on (possibly to protect their scientific advance, and not to be bothered too much with ethical and safety issues )
* the epidemic has been identified in Wuhan, where most experts agree to attribute the origin of this epidemic.
* there have been several alerts and reports of security breaches
* The WHO investigation was tightly controlled by the Chinese who demanded access to its report before publication and strictly monitored its progress. She officially concluded that the hypothesis of a leak was "extremely improbable", except that the director of the WHO himself immediately clarified that no hypothesis should be ruled out, and many specialists have expressed doubts .

these are all indisputable facts, I am not adding the stuff like HIV sequence identifications that seem much more dubious, I am sticking to what no one, and no scientist in particular, disputes. But that alone is still a lot I think.
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