terrestrial red tide Hungary (aluminum smelter)

[sherkanner]

if a few thousand tonnes of limestone had been mixed with this mud as and when production there would be a red and inert pyramid and no accident

Ah well yes it is, but it costs a pair of euros per ton, so we avoid, it's too expensive ....

[dedeleco]

Greenpeace gives information on toxic products after precise analysis of samples taken by greenpeace and analysis by Austrian laboratory:
http://blog.greenpeace.fr/cp/maree-roug ... de-mercure

he analyzes carried out by the Austrian agency revealed the following values: 110 mg of arsenic per kg; 1,3 mg of mercury per kg and 660 mg of chromium per kg .....
the concentration of arsenic per liter is 0,25 mg - a rate 25 times higher than the limits set for drinking water ....
50 tonnes of arsenic roam the wild ...

Chromium is not as safe.

[chatelot16]

you should not panic with these figures: there is mercury in all the ore: including in good old coal! and when you burn coal in your stove, mercury goes into the chimney for the neighbors!

chromium there is more than we think in ordinary cement! the greatest danger of excessive exposure to chromium is the macons which too often touch cement with bare hands!

so the red mud wouldn't be that bad if we didn't flood the neighbors with

we also talk about heavy metals ... iron is classified in the category of heavy metals! iron is the main component of this mud! heavy metals mean nothing, iron is not dangerous

what is criminal is to store excessively until it breaks

if that shit had been properly neutralized the chromium the mercury the arsenic and all the rest would be blocked in it ... exactly as in the reinforced concrete, or all the doubtful compounds are blocked too

remains to know what is toxic in the air and who justifies putting on anti dust mask?

still a hypothesis, still not verified because I do not have enough experience in this kind of chemistry, but I may not be far from an explanation: what makes the thing very alkaline would be the aluminosilicate of soda : the CO2 in the air neutralizes it, and makes sodium carbonate + silica

silica? very fine dust? silicosis and company?

they say well on tv that it becomes dangerous when drying!

[chatelot16]

if a few thousand tonnes of limestone had been mixed with this mud as and when production there would be a red and inert pyramid and no accident

Ah well yes it is, but it costs a pair of euros per ton, so we avoid, it's too expensive ....

well yes when we want to save money you have to put the price ... there are some who have made savings on nuclear power plants they have had Chernobyl ... there are some who have made savings on petroleum there have made a black tide ... there are some who make savings for aluminum they make a red tide

there was I don't know which economy it made AZF

I'm not against chemistry: I think the best for ecology is to make dangerous products properly in our country rather than letting them do it anyway

[dedeleco]

there was I don't know which economy it made AZF

Likewise, they stored 300 tonnes of more or less dirty ammonium nitrate fertilizer, a single pile instead of making 300 small well separated piles of 1 ton each so that if one farts, the others do not farts !!
Already 1 ton farting, doing damage !! but 300t hello the damage to AZF !!
Ammonium nitrate farts at 200 ° C with a fire that does not seem to have existed at AZF, hence the mystery !!! !!

The ammonium nitrate had before a collection of gigantic explosions like in Germany where to break a huge block of this nitrate they had taken from the dynamite !!
see wikipedia !!
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammoniumnitrat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrate_d%27ammonium

Eine der heerendsten dieser Katastrophen war die Explosion des Oppauer Ammoniakwerkes bei der BASF in Ludwigshafen am Rhein am 21. September 1921. Festgewordene Dünger-Mischungen aus Ammoniumnitrat und Ammoniumsulfat wurden dort üblicherweise vor ihrem Versand Dynamit mittels aufgelockert, and vermutlich aufgrund eines Fehlers beim Mischungsverhältnis kam es bei einer dieser Sprengungen zu einer Initialzündung, die dann insgesamt 4500 tons des am Ungücksort gelagerten Ammoniumnitrat-Gemisches zur Explosion brachte und so einen of the large Explosionsschäden of the Geschichte verursachte: 561 Menschen wurden getötet, 1952 verletzt and a larger Teil der Fabrik sowie der umliegenden Bebauung wurden zerstört. Die Explosion war bis in das 300 Kilometer enters Munich on the road. [6]

In 1921, 4500 tonnes attacked with dynamite with 561 dead and explosion heard at over 300 km in Munich !!
More than 10 times AZF !!!

Weird, each country has had its disasters and forget those of other countries !!

We make the nitroglycerin for dynamite at 0 ° C with this method of separate and distant casemates which rarely fart !!
She farts at 30 to 50 ° C, almost at ordinary T !!

What is frightening is that I have not seen this basic remark of common sense written in the press to limit itself to small piles !!!

Finally in Chernobyl, these are not savings, but the human stupidity of the design and management of the reactor, with the officials who refused to admit that the reactor had exploded, even with graphite from the heart of the reactor in their feet! ! and the French, long before, had come close to disaster with graphite reactors on the Loire !!!

[dedeleco]

read the list of thousands of tonnes of fertilizer that fared worse than AZF, the latest in Romania and North Korea:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_d%27 ... 27ammonium

[dedeleco]

The television announces the questioning of the leaders of the factory in Hungary who will end up in prison !!

Reading disasters, hard-core communist countries have no more security like North Korea:

April 22, 2004, Ryongchon, North Korea
The explosion of a train loaded, inter alia, with petrol and ammonium nitrate at the Ryongchon station (town of 130 inhabitants located 000 km from the Chinese border) causes the death of 20 people and more than 161 wounded. The station was razed to the ground, as well as all the buildings within a radius of 1 m, nearly 300 dwellings are destroyed or damaged. Two huge craters eight to ten meters deep were seen at the accident site, the precise circumstances of which are not known. Authorities allege human error.

and 20-ton trucks of regular fertilizer on the roads are very dangerous and it's the same in France, there were truck accidents on fire then exploded, but we don't talk about it because luckily outside the cities:

May 24, 2004, in Mihăileşti, Romania
Road accident involving a truck carrying 20 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, in 50 kg bags, which overturned at around 4:55 am and caught fire. After an hour, a violent explosion killed 18 people and seriously injured ten. The explosion dug a crater about 15 meters in diameter and 10 meters deep.

[sherkanner]

Yes finally, in France we do not speak either of trucks transporting uranium daily (if I remember correctly, about 300kg / day)

[dedeleco]

It doesn't blow up by making a big hole 10m in diameter and destroying all the houses at 50m !!
Except if a truck of Uranium meets a truck of fertilizer which catches fire in the collision and which farts afterwards!
The radioactive drums of these trucks are very solid, they say,
tested in fairly convincing demonstration collisions !!

I fear more the unpredictable underestimated, because very improbable and which triggers a Chernobyl type disaster, because there are a multitude of improbable scenarios each, but this multitude makes an accident considered very improbable much more likely.

Nature has much more imagination than we do to create improbable situations that occur.

[chatelot16]

disasters there will always be ...

but if everyone does their job conscientiously and refuses to do anything there will be less

I have often been angry with superiors or clients who wanted to make me bullshit ... but at least I have never been responsible for an accident

the problem is unemployment, for fear of losing your job even competent people will agree to do serious bullshit ... and for saving candle, because with skill security does not cost so much

I see a style of leader for whom to do correctly is to make too expensive! you have to make branquignole so that it is visibly economical ... even if branquignole no matter how expensive is it than with competance