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Re: Veganism as Therapeutic




by GuyGadebois » 11/12/19, 19:38

Janic wrote:
Janic wrote:
and where are the bacteria?
DTC ...
ah, well, this is new! : Shock: I thought it was happening a little above, but we learn new ones every day! : Cheesy: :? thanks to you! thank you master Guy! 8)

Colon bacteria are nothing new and they are the ones that mainly produce vitamin B12 ... you see that you are causing things that you don't understand!
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Re: Veganism as Therapeutic




by izentrop » 11/12/19, 22:52

GuyGadebois wrote:Colon bacteria are nothing new and they are the ones that mainly produce vitamin B12 ... you see that you are causing things that you don't understand!
For herbivores but not in humans
The human species does not have a polygastric system unlike ruminants. The illustration above (large human intestine) also demonstrates that our cecum is very small, unlike that of monogastric herbivores. We are not herbivores. We are not self-sufficient in vitamin B12.

Several studies have analyzed human feces. The first results raised doubts, because the methods of analysis did not allow to distinguish the real vitamin B12 from analogues. The analogs are molecules without any vitamin activity. The usual measurement methods count the analogs, since they cannot be differentiated. Some analytical systems however make it possible to sort between the different molecules: up to 98% of the vitamin B12 ingested by humans is degraded into analogs, probably due to the aggressiveness of the digestive environments and fluids, as well as the activity of the intestinal flora. The digestive system of humans degrades vitamin B12, rather than producing it. The idea that the human digestive system is capable of producing enough vitamin B12 is refuted [1]. https://www.vivelab12.fr/b12-intestinale/#fn1
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by GuyGadebois » 11/12/19, 22:54

izentrop wrote:In some animals but not in humans

Of course, since vegans need a dietary supplement and omnivores of meat products.
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by izentrop » 11/12/19, 23:15

Sorry, for nitpicking, concerning aspirin in cancer prevention, the info of the specialists is always preferable
Can they make aspirin a key future in cancer prevention? The question remains to be decided and caution is required. Indeed, these retrospective studies do not allow us to conclude on a cause and effect link. "Lack of the results of prospective studies and specific controlled clinical trials to provide evidence that aspirin does reduce the risk of colorectal cancer," said Professor Côme Lepage, gastroenterologist specializing in digestive oncology and director of the Inserm Epidemiology and Clinical Research in Digestive Cancer (EPICAD) team. https://www.ligue-cancer.net/vivre/arti ... ine-letude
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by Janic » 12/12/19, 07:18

izentrop wrote:
In some animals but not in humans
Of course, since vegans need a dietary supplement and omnivores of meat products.
and here we see the great specialist who has been practicing for decades. Veganism did not wait for the vegans, or es-specialists of your kind to live and put into practice this type of food, them! But you prefer to tell this kind of nonsense to reassure you, vegan way!
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by GuyGadebois » 12/12/19, 11:15

It's not bullshit, it's reality. You know, the reality "what's going on". The majority of vegans * take vitamin B12 in fortified foods or capsules, omnivores do not.: Mrgreen:

* But not Supervegan which is protected from any deficiency.
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by Janic » 12/12/19, 12:39

It's not stupidity, it's reality.
It is not an anerie, but a bunch of nonsense.
You know, the reality "what's going on". :
if there is one who knows, it is precisely me it seems to me and especially not you as a gentleman, I meddle in everything that I ignore like Iz.
The majority of vegans * take vitamin B12 from fortified foods or capsules, omnivores are not.:mrgreen
precisely not, it is only vegans who spread this kind of speech (because they represent a part of those), but of which they are not precisely representative.
* But not Supervegan which is protected from any deficiency.
Exactly neither super nor vegan, but VGL for 50 years as well as my close family and after 5 decades over 3 generations it would have appeared a long time ago. Forget it, you don't know anything about it or at least make the effort to study this subject (as you did for Bio) other than on fakenews.
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by GuyGadebois » 12/12/19, 14:08

Image Môssieur has no deficiencies (he prays, he believes, he knows therefore HE CANNOT HAVE DEFICIENCIES °), Môssieur has decreed the state of world conspiracy "all conspirators, vegans, industrialists, big pharma, big agro ", môssieur holds THE absolute truth ... Poor" môssieur "... When he is going to fall, it will be from very high (but he is close to the Most High).
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by Janic » 12/12/19, 15:54

Image Môssieur has no deficiencies (he prays, he believes, he knows so HE CANNOT HAVE DEFICIENCIES °), Môssieur has decreed the state of world conspiracy "all conspirators, vegans, industrialists, big pharma, big agro ", môssieur holds THE absolute truth ... Poor" môssieur "... When he will fall, it will be from very high (but he is close to the Most High).
thank you for all these beautiful compliments! Do not be jealous, there must be one or two that concern you as against big agrochemistry that you qualify as ... my usual politeness prevents me from reproducing such profanity and insults.
Pov 'Guy if that's what your arguments are about, no wonder you don't convince anyone. :(
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Re: Veganism as Therapeutic




by GuyGadebois » 12/12/19, 19:31

I do not convince YOU, but of YOU, everyone (except YOU) does not care! The vegetarian evangelist ...
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