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Re: Understanding vaccines and objective scientific advice




by humus » 14/07/21, 11:33

gegyx wrote:
humus wrote:If anyone, Obamot I believe, could put here a link to a scientific study showing the migration of the spike protein throughout the body of a deceased patient.
I get lost in all your subjects : Wink:

Maybe this?
(with the translator) :)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.ph ... f-the-body

Yes, thank you, that's it. Obamot had put a more scientific source.
In GoogleFrench it gives:



"Global Time Bomb" First post-mortem case study of a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2; "Viral RNA present in every organ of the body"
The very first autopsy of a person vaccinated against COVID-19, who tested negative 18 days later on admission to hospital, but then tested positive 24 days after the VAX, found that viral RNA had been found in almost every organ in the body. The vaccine, while triggering an immune response, DID NOT STOP the virus from entering all organs of the body.

Viral RNA has been found in virtually every organ in the body, which also means spike proteins.

There are antibodies (like the "vaccine" is supposed to create) but they are irrelevant because, based on a Japanese study, we now know that the S1 spike protein is the cause of the damage.

We spoke to an infectious disease specialist at a New Jersey hospital this morning. We sent him the autopsy results and asked him what he thought.

When he called back a little later, he was clearly shaken. He told us, "You cannot quote me by name, I will be discharged from the hospital if you do." We agreed to conceal his identity.

He then told us:

“People think that only a MINORITY of people experience side effects from the vaccine.

Based on this new research, that means everyone - FINALLY - will have side effects, as these spike proteins will bind to ACE2 receptors all over the body.

This mRNA was supposed to stay at the injection site and it is not. This means that the spike proteins created by mRNA will also be present in every organ, and we now know that it is the advanced proteins that cause the damage.

Worse, the viral RNA found in each organ despite a vaccine, indicates either:

1) The vaccine does not work at all, OR;

2) The virus benefits from antibody dependent enhancement (ADE), which means that it actually spreads FASTER in people who are vaccinated.

It's a GLOBAL time bomb. "

According to the published autopsy report, the vaccinated man was 86 years old and tested NEGATIVE for COVID-19 when he was first admitted to hospital with severe gastrointestinal upset and difficulty breathing. Here's what the reports describe:

We report an 86-year-old man residing in a retirement home who received a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. The medical history included systemic hypertension, chronic venous insufficiency, dementia and carcinoma of the prostate. On January 9, 2021, the man received the BNT162b2 nucleoside-modified RNA vaccine, formulated on the basis of lipid nanoparticles at a dose of 30 g. On that day and for the next 2 weeks, he did not show any clinical symptoms (Table 1). On day 18, he was admitted to the hospital with worsening diarrhea. As he showed no clinical signs of COVID-19, isolation in a specific setting did not take place. Laboratory tests revealed hypochromic anemia and increased serum creatinine levels; antigen and polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test for SARS-CoV-2 were negative.



The autopsy report makes it clear that tests showed "no morphological changes associated with COVID" in his organs.

"Morphological" means structural. COVID infection is now known to cause very specific structural changes in the places it infects. THESE CHANGES DID NOT APPEAR in the vaccinated man before his death.

The now-dead vaccinated man was in a room where another patient eventually tested POSTIVE for COVID, and the report says they believe the dead vaccinated man caught COVID after he was admitted, from the other patient in the same room.

Thus, the organ damage of the now dead vaccine recipient occurred BEFORE he was infected with COVID by the other patient in the hospital room.

Worse yet, once the vaccinated man did contract COVID, it spread so quickly through his body that he apparently never stood a chance. Here are pictures of fabrics:



The complete post-mortem report is published on ScienceDirect.com



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Re: Understanding vaccines and objective scientific advice VS vaccine hysteria




by humus » 14/07/21, 11:56

(UK). Gene injection is not only ineffective, but even deleterious because mortality is three times higher in vaccinated than in unvaccinated.

always https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-trib ... s-precoces
This result, if true, could be explained by the fact that people at risk are more vaccinated than others.
Unvaccinated people are not at risk and therefore die less.
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by Christophe » 14/07/21, 12:08

humus, I retained the following title: "Vaccine hysteria, should you be vaccinated? Scientifically understand vaccines to help in the decision"

We should really limit this one to clear and concrete information to help the vaccine decision otherwise it will still be difficult to follow!

For the more substantive debate on vaccines there is this topic: health-pollution-prevention / covid-19-list-of-effective-vaccines-t16510.html
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by Obamot » 14/07/21, 13:27

izentrop wrote:[...] it seems serious
Not you anyway.
1) at this time of year, contamination is at its lowest, injections or not. So how do you know what this drop is due to?
2) WHO director says it's based on greed (of people like you) and we have to stop it ...

https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2021/07/12/ ... e-du-monde

What would you say to him?
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by Exnihiloest » 14/07/21, 17:11

humus wrote:...
Yes, the title could be "Vaccine decision support, if so which one, if not which alternative"

humus wrote:...
always https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-trib ... s-precoces
This result, if true, could be explained by the fact that people at risk are more vaccinated than others.
Unvaccinated people are not at risk and therefore die less.

How can we dare to speak of "vaccine decision support", and refer to the France-Soir torch-ass, regularly singled out for publishing fake news and conspiratorial articles ?!

Decision support: take Pfizer, it is obviously the most effective, side effects are rare and generally not dangerous, and the protection compared to the unvaccinated is final. : Lol:
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Re: Vaccine hysteria, should you get vaccinated? Scientifically understand vaccines to help decision-making




by Obamot » 14/07/21, 17:16

And the WHO before which all the zeteticians bowed (until yesterday), and which now advises against vaccinating with all their hands, is it "torch ass"?
(Your intentionally provocative expression)
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by Janic » 14/07/21, 17:25

How can we dare to speak of "vaccine decision support", and refer to the France-Soir torch-ass, regularly singled out for publishing fake news and conspiratorial articles ?!
null as usual '. You only get our ass torches, coming from an ass licking of the great state conformism itself with the boot of high finance and if there are fakenews and conspiracies (which do not bear these names) c this is the side to look at!
Decision support: take Pfizer, it is obviously the most effective, side effects are rare and generally not dangerous, and the protection compared to the unvaccinated is final.
It is not decision support to believe in the marketing of poison merchants, who call effective what claims fewer victims than their competitors and who deny or hide the victims of their products, like any industrialist having to make accounts to its shareholders awaiting juicy profits.
Everything is advertising lie and not independent information.
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by Robob » 14/07/21, 19:50

izentrop wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:
izentrop wrote:The link on the Italian study please ABC

https://www.iss.it/grafici-settimanali/ ... id/5790979


Effectiveness calculated on July 9 on positive people from 21/06 to July 4? I don't understand: apart from the contamination, isn't it a bit early to diagnose hospi réa and deaths? We must give them time to suffocate to go on sheaves and 15 days to clamor with the little old people. : Cry:

Variant prevalence: Alpha at 73%, Delta only 0.56% ...

Otherwise I can't find the same results.
For example effectiveness against transmission on the 80+:
207 fullvax positives for 344 positives, i.e. a ratio of 60.2%.
Number of fullvax 80+ 3.
Total number of 80+ 4 (= 554 + 107 + 3)
Ratio fulvax out of total 80+, 85.2%
(60.2% -85.2%) / ((60.2% -1) * 85.2%) = 74% efficiency on transmission (against 79.8% on their table).

Ma qué!
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by Exnihiloest » 14/07/21, 22:11

Janic wrote:... You only get us torch ass

Thank me, I know your tastes.

it is not decision support to believe in the marketing of poison merchants ...

blabla blabla tells us the obscurantist lost in his backward world.
I don't believe in marketing, but unlike obscurantists and other moron spreaders of fake news, I can read statistics.
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by Exnihiloest » 14/07/21, 22:18

Obamot wrote:And the WHO before which all the zeteticians bowed (until yesterday), and which now advises against vaccinating with all their hands, is it "torch ass"?

Projects ?

(Your intentionally provocative expression)

torche-cul: "Written hastily, messy or contemptible, worthless."
https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/torche-cul

not very "provocative", but you can even call it insolence if that sounds right to you.
If the fearful and claimed obscurantists want to be taken seriously, they will have to stop wallowing in fake news, delusional interpretations and selection bias.
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