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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Rajqawee » 27/08/21, 11:28

I was just answering the question: are there any IHU publications using their data to show something. Answer: yes. Are there people who dispute the conclusions: some, yes. is there intervention above to make them stop: no.

Regarding the double blind, do not think that I did not change my standard level based on a bias! I fully agree that it will be (it) necessary to carry out in cohort and in double blind the benefits of the various supposed treatments. But these trials were stopped because "the expected benefits of these treatments are unlikely" (that's what I read elsewhere).

My feeling (which therefore has nothing medical.) Is that to put an end to the question, we must conduct these tests (if no significant danger of these treatments, which seems to be the case).

I expand. I think that the IHU is relatively in its role, to treat people with molecules which they estimate to see their effects on their patients (if not risk). I think even if he led a randomized double-blind cohort themselves, they wouldn't be believed anymore either. An independent study should be required, but what about ethics?

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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by ABC2019 » 27/08/21, 11:37

Rajqawee wrote:I was just answering the question: are there any IHU publications using their data to show something. Answer: yes.

no what you are quoting is not a publication, it is an on line post. It hasn't passed the review stage, let alone publication.

Regarding the double blind, do not think that I did not change my standard level based on a bias! I fully agree that it will be (it) necessary to carry out in cohort and in double blind the benefits of the various supposed treatments. But these trials were stopped because "the expected benefits of these treatments are unlikely" (that's what I read elsewhere).

it is the same for vaccines, when the first results are disappointing, studies are stopped. It's a little immoral to give people phony treatments and make them believe that it could cure them. A VERY effective drug, normally, it shows quite quickly ...
I expand. I think that the IHU is relatively in its role, to treat people with molecules which they estimate to see their effects on their patients (if not risk). I think even if he led a randomized double-blind cohort themselves, they wouldn't be believed anymore either. An independent study should be required, but what about ethics?

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IHU is not the center of the world, there are lots of countries that can conduct these studies properly. If there is none at the international level, it is most likely that it does not work, that's all. In any case, this is the simplest explanation.
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Christophe » 27/08/21, 11:44

ABC2019 wrote:IHU is not the center of the world, there are lots of countries that can conduct these studies properly. If there is none at the international level, it is most likely that it does not work, that's all. In any case, this is the simplest explanation.


None ? You are completely at the pickup!

Most studies onIvermectin come from developing countries ... at least less "rich" than the rotten ones that we have become ...

Some are referenced in this article: https://www.econologie.com/ivermectine- ... loroquine/

The EU Discovery study was deliberately sabotaged it was never even finished because a son of a bitch decided that the vaccine route was the only "solution" ...

Can we talk about the LancetGate too?

My pov friend ... stop dreaming, stop talking bullshit: the world of Western medical scientific research is rotten to the core and this rot has been increased tenfold since the COVID crisis !!
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Rajqawee » 27/08/21, 11:45

Hey, ho, I haven't looked for everything! I did it quickly and I fell on it. If you want I correct: they communicate their results. Short. Time will sort it out anyway.
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by ABC2019 » 27/08/21, 11:50

Christophe wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:IHU is not the center of the world, there are lots of countries that can conduct these studies properly. If there is none at the international level, it is most likely that it does not work, that's all. In any case, this is the simplest explanation.


None ? You are completely at the pickup!

Most studies onIvermectin come from developing countries ... at least less "rich" than the rotten ones that we have become ...

Some are referenced in this article: https://www.econologie.com/ivermectine- ... loroquine/

The EU Discovery study was deliberately sabotaged it was never even finished because a son of a bitch decided that the vaccine route was the only "solution" ...

Can we talk about the LancetGate too?

My pov friend ... stop dreaming, stop talking bullshit: the world of Western medical scientific research is rotten to the core and this rot has been increased tenfold since the COVID crisis !!


I'm talking about reliable studies, on large enough samples, double-blind, reliable enough to convince the medical community and health authorities.

I note that no government has preferred that to the vaccine, which would be completely absurd if it was a question of sacrificing its own population (cf Israel which rather has a mentality of a besieged country, why mass vaccinate its population if it is? is to sacrifice her instead of giving her effective treatments!)

But believe what you want, if you prefer not to get the vaccine and stick sticks in your nose every time you want to do something, what do you want me to tell you?

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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by ABC2019 » 27/08/21, 11:52

Rajqawee wrote:Hey, ho, I haven't looked for everything! I did it quickly and I fell on it. If you want I correct: they communicate their results. Short. Time will sort it out anyway.

uh no one disputed that they communicated their results extensively, they are just criticized for communicating bogus results, it seems to me .. you did not provide a counter-argument to that.
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Rajqawee » 27/08/21, 11:56

ABC2019 wrote:
Rajqawee wrote:Hey, ho, I haven't looked for everything! I did it quickly and I fell on it. If you want I correct: they communicate their results. Short. Time will sort it out anyway.

uh no one disputed that they communicated their results extensively, they are just criticized for communicating bogus results, it seems to me .. you did not provide a counter-argument to that.


Because I can not. I can hardly imagine myself being legitimate in criticizing the possible results of these specialists. Just as I am not criticizing when I am told that the vaccine protects against serious forms. I can only believe it.

What amazes me (but in the original sense of the word. Amazes me. Not with an ulterior motive.) Is that it can continue, if it is wrong all along.
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Christophe » 27/08/21, 11:58

ABC2019 wrote:I'm talking about reliable studies, on large enough samples, double-blind, reliable enough to convince the medical community and health authorities.


There you insult the researchers of all the countries who have made studies: South America, Egypt, India, Australia ...

For reliable studies, we expect that of the vaccine mix: sante-pollution-prevention / 40-positive-covid-vaccines-in-israel-towards-a-villainous-reversal-of-pro-vax-t16908-980.html # p463766

ABC2019 wrote:cf Israel which rather has a mentality of a besieged country, why mass vaccinate its population if it is to sacrifice it instead of giving it effective treatments!


This is called bribing the elites!

Where are they in the field right now? Israel is heading straight for a peak in mortality like they have NEVER KNOWN!

ABC2019 wrote: SM clubs, I know they exist too, but I don't go to them : Mrgreen:


Isn't that offensive? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

Sorry I don't work with blackmail ... if you yes that's your problem!
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by ABC2019 » 27/08/21, 12:06

Christophe wrote:
ABC2019 wrote:I'm talking about reliable studies, on large enough samples, double-blind, reliable enough to convince the medical community and health authorities.


There you insult the researchers of all the countries who have made studies: South America, Egypt, India, Australia ...

well no, the preliminary studies are not useless, they give ideas for further studies: they simply do not constitute proof.
It's like an investigation, a clue does not constitute proof. But there is nothing insulting in looking for clues.
Where are they in the field right now? Israel is heading straight for a peak in mortality like they have NEVER KNOWN!

well they made the choice to deconfin everything and remove all constraints, the error may be there, not in the vaccines.

ABC2019 wrote: SM clubs, I know they exist too, but I don't go to them : Mrgreen:


Isn't that offensive? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock:

Sorry I don't work with blackmail ... if you yes that's your problem!

not at all, I say that everyone has the right to do as they want, but there are things that are not my thing, that's all :).
Have you ever been vaccinated to go sightseeing in a foreign country?
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Re: The real thread without name calling.

by Christophe » 27/08/21, 12:17

ABC2019 wrote:well they made the choice to deconfin everything and remove all constraints, the error may be there, not in the vaccines.


So there you say that the Sanitary Pass (which you have just defended as a blackmail solution ... ??) is a scam and that the vaccine ... well does it serve less than the sanitary restrictions?

You see we can agree! : Mrgreen:

ABC2019 wrote:not at all, I say that everyone has the right to do as they want, but there are things that are not my thing, that's all :).
Have you ever been vaccinated to go sightseeing in a foreign country?


Except that you just said that it did not work on the sole basis of the vaccine see 2 lines above! A break is in order I think !!

No I have never been so FAR! I have always traveled in longitude rather than latitude! : Mrgreen:
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