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by Targol » 16/06/08, 11:28

Matt113 wrote:the problem now is that even if it is shown to be harmful to health, the use of the laptop is already well established in populations, people will surely no longer know how to do without it.


This is obvious.
I am deeply convinced that if we left the choice to the populations, the answer would go in the direction "portable":
"Knowing that a mobile phone antenna is potentially dangerous for your health and that of your children, we suggest that you vote to choose if you want that one dismantled in your neighborhood. Ah, by the way, if you vote" yes ", you will no longer have any signal on your mobile phone" :?

Otherwise, even if I am more attached than Remundo to the precautionary principle, I agree with him that a lot of people take more risks on the beaches than with their bigo-mobile.
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by bamboo » 16/06/08, 11:49

Remundo wrote:It's funny you say, but it shows that the radiation heats up. Nothing more logical to that because these are the 900 MHz frequencies, and especially 1800 MHz.

You should know that the best frequency for heating water is that of the microwave at 2400 Mhz, or even that of Wifi. The ear is composed of 75% water, CQFD.


This remark is not entirely correct:
The mobile phone carefully avoids the resonant frequency of water for a very good reason: the air is humid, and if the mobiles used the same frequencies as the microwave, the phones would have a very reduced range!

That said, that doesn't prevent the phone from being harmful! (I'm even completely convinced)

Targol wrote:"Knowing that a mobile phone antenna is potentially dangerous for your health and that of your children, we suggest that you vote to choose if you want that one dismantled in your neighborhood. Ah, by the way, if you vote" yes ", you will no longer have any signal on your mobile phone"

Yep, we already know what would be the response of the French (and others): "I want antennas but not at home." As usual...

Well, it is true that it is convenient to have a laptop. But do we have to take an "unlimited" or 8h / month subscription?

Most calls could be made with a wire ...
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by Christophe » 16/06/08, 11:50

Remundo wrote:I noticed in my case that after 10 min of discussion, my ear is very hot. : Cheesy:


Well concerning me with a classic phone it is too ... it's not electromagnetism but thermal insulation : Cheesy:

Remundo wrote:You should know that the best frequency for heating water is that of the microwave at 2400 Mhz, or even that of Wifi. The ear is composed of 75% water, CQFD.



Shit I was convinced that the cronondes it was 2.5Ghz but according to wiki ( http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-onde ) it's good 2.4Ghz (well they say approximately) so really not far from Wifi at all ...

Remundo wrote:Nevertheless, the temperature rises are very weak ... below a little stammering from the CNRS
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16726256


Of course, but the thermal effect is only one of the 2 factors: what about cognitive and cellular disturbances? It is not because we are not aware that there is none ... moreover are we aware of cancer or even a brain tumor? Often no ... before it's too late.

Then it fed me to hear cancer here and there carcinogenic ... THERE IS NOT THAT CANCER THAT HITS BORDEL. : Evil:

As if, currently, the only harm was cancer ...

a) Disrupt communications between synapses in the long term What does that mean? That one becomes more and more stupid ... but can be, surely, without being aware of it ...

b) What is a brain if not billions of low voltage electrical connections?

c) Likewise between all cells there are ion exchanges of extremely low voltage (micro V) which can be strongly disturbed by electric fields of the order of 5V / m which related to the scale of the cell have the same potential ...

I let biologists develop the idea ...

Remundo wrote:A sustained sports effort increases the temperature all over the body even more.


Toutafé and we never heard that sport was carcinogenic ...
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by martien007 » 16/06/08, 12:17

Of course, but the thermal effect is only one of the 2 factors: what about cognitive and cellular disturbances? It is not because we are not aware that there is none ... moreover are we aware of cancer or even a brain tumor? Often no ... before it's too late.

Then it fed me to hear cancer here and there carcinogenic ... THERE IS NOT THAT CANCER THAT HITS BORDEL.

As if, currently, the only evil is cancer ...


I know someone who just died at age 60 of a brain tumor.

She had had it for 2 years without suffering and was undergoing treatment, had a high morale, but 2 months ago: dizziness, falls on the street, then hospitalization for 3 weeks and death.

This lady did not have a cell phone and did not spend her time in front of a PC, but worked her entire career at France Telecom (well PTT then P and T) at the time when laptops did not exist, BUT in In recent years, she would not have been subjected to radiation linked to the transmitters located above the telephone exchanges in which she worked.

Nobody knows.

However, for such laptops, caution is advised; there it is like everything: some are more sensitive than others.

The other day in a report to "Special Envoy" on FR2, they showed a lady who can not stand any radiation. In the district where she lives in Paris, it emits from everywhere, she had headaches and dizziness. She lined her apartment with aluminum sheets including the windows and ceiling since she no longer has headaches !!

Other cases with WIFI: library workers have the same headaches since they installed the WIFI boirnes in the library. They removed the terminals and since all vabien !! surprising anyway.

At home I have wire and it works very well. In addition Livebox boxes are very sensitive to thunderstorms. I have an example near my home, they spent hours in a hotline to find the problem: blown case because of a thunderstorm.
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by Christophe » 16/06/08, 12:44

Of course Martian, cancer is an evil but it is not the ONLY ...

Don't make me say what I don't think ...

For the branch, we agree and we can not say that we find no cheap stuff: RJ45 network cables
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by jonule » 18/06/08, 10:47

Remundo wrote:There you go ... that said, I only get moderately into paranoia and the precautionary principle.

People who put their backs and backs bare all summer on the beaches are 100 times more likely to get skin cancer than brain cancer with their cellphones.


once again you confuse the damage which one chooses to undergo and those which one does not choose; it is to impose a way of doing things for everyone by neglecting this freedom, dictator! :P
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by Remundo » 18/06/08, 11:53

Hi Jonule,

Hey, me a dictator :?: :D

The subtlety you raise is interesting.

With each act of daily life, there is a risk, calculated or not, conscious or not.

Everyone is free to call or not with a mobile phone. Similarly to get in a car or not, and there he takes risks 1000 times greater, when he is not even aware of it.

Some even combine the two at 90 km / h in the city : Cheesy:
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by Bibiphoque » 18/06/08, 13:01

Hello,
The thermal effects are the only ones that have been the subject of real studies.
In the whole world, there are only a small handful of true specialists in "waves" and living things.
One of those is AA Marino
View:
http://www.ortho.lsuhsc.edu/Faculty/Marino/CV.html

In his CV, there are the refs. extremely amazing studies, such as the one where it has grown a whole limb bones and nerves included in a mammal (a rat)
Unfortunately for those who don't understand it, everything is in English.

In biology what is called the threshold effect exists only in very rare documented cases.
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by Christophe » 24/06/08, 09:55

Damn Bibi, the link is HS ...

For the threshold effect is that used by the salamander? :)
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by bernardd » 23/02/11, 12:10

A biological effect demonstrated for mobile phones: an increase in cell activity and their energy consumption.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/2 ... tml?hpt=T2

Researchers do not yet know whether this effect is harmful or not, but it is one of the first biological effects observed.
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