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by pedrodelavega » 24/07/20, 15:45

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:No problem
Anything I can post anyway will suck in your eyes Image
Well no.
For you, is this site reliable?
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by pedrodelavega » 24/07/20, 15:54

VetusLignum wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:"A preclinical study published in nature shows that hydroxychloroquine has no antiviral effect against SARS_CoV_2 in vivo, before infection and in the first days after infection."
Bringing together scientists from CEA, Inserm, Institut Pasteur, CNRS, Université de Paris-Saclay, AP-HM, Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1 and Aix-Marseille university,
https://presse.inserm.fr/une-etude-prec ... ivo/40346/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2558-4

http://www.francesoir.fr/malin-comme-un-singe

Can we still give credit to "France soir"?
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1 / Wrong items
Examples:
pollution-prevention-health / the-advances-in-the-fight-against-coronavis-t16395-130.html # p405425
https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-conten ... sion-1.pdf

2 / No journalist in the editorial office, we don't know who writes most of the time (the collective?).

3 / This site is part of conspiracy:
Article published on Silvano Trotta and on the latter's youtube channel, interview with Xavier Azalbert
(For the record, Silvano Trotta is the theory of "the hollow moon", "we didn't walk on the moon", "9/11", "Bill Gates", "chemtrails", "masks are useless", "cropcircle", etc ... etc ... it's a sample, you have to see its channel : roll: )
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Re: Resignation of Dr Raoult, supporter of Chloroquine, from the Covid Scientific Council19




by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 24/07/20, 16:00

Harvey Risch perseveres, Swiss example in support.
I think Obamot knows the question well

Covid-19. Hydroxychloroquine and associated drugs: "for the love of our parents", to save lives, immediately and massively treat people at risk affected!

The 2 articles
May 27
Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients who Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis
July 23
The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It | Opinion

Synthesis Pierre Cohen-Bacrie

July 23 - Professor Harvey A. Risch, epidemiologist, Yale University, points out that the solution exists to combat the Covid-19 epidemic and that the science is clear: treat all those at risk affected or suspected to be infected with Covid-19 right away, and mortality from this disease will drop significantly.

In support of his opinion, published in the American Epidemiologist Journal (AEJ) as a supplement to his May 27 article published in the same medical journal, Professor Risch cites studies covering hundreds and thousands of cases.

The case of the Swiss double turn

A real life-size test was the Swiss double turn: in May, by banning hydroxychloroquine, mortality doubled and by restoring it in June, mortality fell again. Several other examples, Brazilian and American (including that of Dr. Zelenko) point in the same direction.

“A reverse natural experience has occurred in Switzerland.

On May 27, the Swiss national government banned the outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19. Around June 10, deaths from COVID-19 quadrupled and remained high. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23, the death rate returned to what it had been before.

People who die from Covid19 live about three to five weeks from the onset of symptoms, making the evidence for a causal relationship in these experiences strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion drugs reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients. ”Harvey Risch.

A known, available and inexpensive treatment
Hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin (or another macrolide) plus zinc, that's the solution. it is known, it is clear, it is available and inexpensive.
For Professor Risch, the sociology of science will examine the aberrant case of the unfair, biased and erroneous treatment reserved for this solution.
Genuine prevention of hospitalization and death
For now, it is a question of generalizing this solution by treating hundreds of thousands or millions of people at risk with the disease from the start, without delay. This will prevent - it is proven [according to him] - hospitalization and death with a very high success rate.
This opinion of a renowned specialist is well worth an article - and a post -, no offense to the grumpy and the grumpy who go away repeating that Science has not decided or worse would have decided in the opposite direction.
Minimal side effects blown out

On the so-called arrhythmias caused in large numbers by the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, Professor Risch recalls that they are to be related to the tens of millions of people using these drugs and that this number is therefore in reality tiny.

Conclusion
"In fact, these inexpensive, oral and widely available drugs with nutritional supplement [the combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin or doxycycline, and zinc] are well suited for early treatment in the outpatient setting. . The combination should be prescribed in high-risk patients immediately on clinical suspicion of COVID-19 disease, without waiting for test results. Delays or delays in starting treatment with these drugs may reduce their efficiency."
[...]

"For the sake of high-risk patients, for the sake of our parents and grandparents, for the sake of the unemployed, for our economy and for our politics, especially for those who are disproportionately affected, we must start to treat immediately. ”, Harvey Risch.
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by pedrodelavega » 24/07/20, 16:18

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:Harvey Risch perseveres, Swiss example in support.
(...)
The case of the Swiss double turn

A real life-size test was the Swiss double turn: in May, by banning hydroxychloroquine, mortality doubled and by restoring it in June, mortality fell again. Several other examples, Brazilian and American (including that of Dr. Zelenko) point in the same direction.

“A reverse natural experience has occurred in Switzerland.

On May 27, the Swiss national government banned the outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine against Covid-19. Around June 10, deaths from COVID-19 quadrupled and remained high. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23, the death rate returned to what it had been before.(...)

This claim has been shown to be crudely false.
- The number of deaths is false over the given period.
- The ban date has no source.
- There was no "ban revoked" on June 11.
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by VetusLignum » 24/07/20, 17:45

pedrodelavega wrote:
VetusLignum wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:"A preclinical study published in nature shows that hydroxychloroquine has no antiviral effect against SARS_CoV_2 in vivo, before infection and in the first days after infection."
Bringing together scientists from CEA, Inserm, Institut Pasteur, CNRS, Université de Paris-Saclay, AP-HM, Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1 and Aix-Marseille university,
https://presse.inserm.fr/une-etude-prec ... ivo/40346/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2558-4

http://www.francesoir.fr/malin-comme-un-singe

Can we still give credit to "France soir"?

Yes, because it is not the source that counts, but the argument.
Myself, I consider lemonde.fr as a fake news mill, and yet I sometimes find interesting articles there.
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by VetusLignum » 24/07/20, 17:58

Could HCQ be more effective in inhalation?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361049/
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by ABC2019 » 24/07/20, 18:39

VetusLignum wrote:Could HCQ be more effective in inhalation?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7361049/

why "more efficient"? it is not effective in ingestion, then?
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by pedrodelavega » 24/07/20, 20:03

VetusLignum wrote:
pedrodelavega wrote:Can we still give credit to "France soir"?
Yes, because it is not the source that counts, but the argument.
In this case on this article:
Why not on the “conflict of interest” aspect (and again, it's far-fetched) but it's just a point of vigilance, it doesn't prove anything in itself.
On the scientific side, nothing solid, not a source, not a link.
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