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by izentrop » 25/03/20, 09:37

It's a voodoo sorcerer's remedy
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by ABC2019 » 25/03/20, 09:40

Janic wrote:
it's dishonest, insulting, and defamatory to doctors.
that's exactly what I blame you for being dishonest, insulting, and defamating for H doctors.

on what exact quote do you accuse me of that?
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by ABC2019 » 25/03/20, 09:48

Janic wrote:applause goes to the medical community, without distinction. And if the patients were treated by H or other non-conventional medicines they would applaud just as much for the dedication of these interveners. The indecent is you to want to recover this popular demonstration for the sole benefit of your BP-style ideology (which for the moment is skating in sauerkraut!)


me my exact quote which allows me to say that you are dishonest and indecent is:
Janic wrote: well hidden behind their retorts and computer now. But no one on the ground as usual.

and you, as usual, behave with dishonesty and indecency, pretending afterwards that it is others who do it (which only adds a second layer of dishonesty and indecency).
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by Janic » 25/03/20, 09:49

on what exact quote do you accuse me of that?
in the same ones that you just wrote. Medicine is one or medicine of the world, there is not on one side of the A, on the other of the H, elsewhere acupuncturists, ayurvedics, naturopaths, etc ... all and all have their field of special and not monopolistic action like your BP.
me my exact quote which allows me to say that you are dishonest and indecent is:
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well hidden behind their retorts and computer now. But no one on the ground as usual.
except my coco, that quote complete is this:
These products have been precisely tested and evaluated to know their benefit / risk ratio.

[*] in plain language, as usual, they always arrive after the battle to count the number of dead. Should we have sent more to the pipe breaker or not ?, well hidden behind their retorts and computer now. But no one on the ground as usual.
and that concerned cancers and many other victims
and you, as usual, behave with dishonesty and indecency, pretending afterwards that it is others who do it (which only adds a second layer of dishonesty and indecency).
and you know what you're talking about since that's what you do all the time!
So close to these kindnesses, let's come back to the boxwood in question!
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by ABC2019 » 25/03/20, 10:23

Janic wrote:
on what exact quote do you accuse me of that?

in the same ones that you just wrote.

I repeat : on what exact quote do you accuse me of that? an exact quote is done with a "quote", not by reparaphrasing and saying instead of the other what he did not say. Are you not even able to understand the meaning of sentences in the most basic French?
except my coco, that quote complete is this:
These products have been precisely tested and evaluated to know their benefit / risk ratio.

[*] in plain language, as usual, they always arrive after the battle to count the number of dead. Should we have sent more to the pipe breaker or not ?, well hidden behind their retorts and computer now. But no one on the ground as usual.
and that concerned cancers and many other victims

it is equally indecent, dishonest and defamatory. The people I am telling you about, whom I visited in the hospital, were cared for by honest, dedicated practitioners who worked hard to carefully set the dosage of substances that could cure them without killing them. And your "as usual", in the current context, makes your words particularly despicable.
and you, as usual, behave with dishonesty and indecency, pretending afterwards that it is others who do it (which only adds a second layer of dishonesty and indecency).
and you know what you're talking about since that's what you do all the time!
So close to these kindnesses, let's come back to the boxwood in question!

yet another example where your only way to defend yourself against your intellectual dishonesty is to accuse others of it for you. I gave you the quote and I explained to you why it was insulting, and you, you just answer "you do the same thing" but without providing any proof. In short, you conduct yourself in your discussions as you conduct yourself with medicine: a series of insulting assertions, without any proof;

And no, I don't behave like you, when I blame things, I bring concrete elements to do it.
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by Janic » 25/03/20, 11:00

by ABC2019 "25/03/20, 11:23
except my coco, that the full quote is this:
These products have been precisely tested and evaluated to know their benefit / risk ratio.
[*] in plain language, as usual, they always arrive after the battle to count the number of dead. Should we have sent more to the pipe breaker or not ?, well hidden behind their retorts and computer now. But no one on the ground as usual.
and that concerned cancers and many other victims
it is equally indecent, dishonest and defamatory. The people I am telling you about, whom I went to see in the hospital, were cared for by honest, dedicated practitioners who worked hard to carefully set the dosage of substances that could cure them without killing them. [*] And your tone. "as usual", in the current context, makes your words particularly despicable.
So you don't understand anything as usual. It is not the dedication of doctors and others who do their job as best they can according to what they have learned in university, but precisely what they have learned, which is only the use of products chemical exclusively because we didn't teach them anything else. These others they would apply with the same sincerity and honesty. And it is obvious that they do not practice to kill voluntarily, any more than the farmers spreading the poisons of agrochemistry on their grounds. There you are indecent and despicable in accusing the base rather than the top: Your great BP buddies, those who pay you handsomely to divert important subjects by drowning this one of your indecency and permanent defamation of the medical profession.
So close to these kindnesses, let's come back to the boxwood in question!
yet another example where your only way to defend yourself against your intellectual dishonesty is to accuse others of it for you. I gave you the quote and I explained to you why it was insulting, and you, you just answer "you do the same thing" but without providing any proof.
This has been demonstrated by your quotes, the list of which has been posted. Any reader need only refer to it.
And no, I don't behave like you, when I blame things, I bring concrete elements to do it.
Well do it: bring concrete elements on the boxwood in question which is the subject and that you come to pollute with your insults.

So stop your continual pollution and come back to the boxwood in question

[*] I also lived very closely these relatives, cared for by the same dedicated doctors, and who died, despite this.
157.000 deaths a year from cancer is not 1.000 deaths from any VOC that has been repeated year after year for decades.
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Re: Natural antivirals in boxwood, elderberry ...




by oli 80 » 25/03/20, 11:25

Hello, I am sure that in nature there are solutions to overcome the corona, maybe even in plants or shrubs that we all have in the garden, or certain "weeds" which have properties that we do not know and can be involved in healing
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by ABC2019 » 25/03/20, 12:08

Janic wrote: There you are indecent and despicable in accusing the base rather than the top: Your great BP buddies, those who pay you handsomely to divert important subjects by drowning this one of your indecency and permanent defamation of the medical profession.

you keep making accusations without any exact quote, so defamation is on your side.

This has been demonstrated by your quotes, the list of which has been posted.

nothing that you have posted constitutes an insult or defamation, you only assert it without providing any proof.

We understood that for you, "to be right", it only consisted of repeating enormities over and over, accompanying them with insults and reproaching others for what you do yourself. Again, you can afford this attitude on a forum , where you know that nothing can happen to you, but in a court where you would risk € 10 in fines, you would be less clever.

And no, me, I would have nothing to fear in court, everything I said I sourced and justified it, unlike you.


Well do it: bring concrete elements on the boxwood in question which is the subject and that you come to pollute with your insults.

I have already done so, it is known that boxwood contains toxic alkaloids, including buxine, so this is exactly what you blame A. ; an active ingredient, but potentially toxic and which can cause death.

[*] I also lived very closely these relatives, cared for by the same dedicated doctors, and who died, despite this.
157.000 deaths a year from cancer is not 1.000 deaths from any VOC that has been repeated year after year for decades.

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doubly stupid, first because unstopped VOC can very well potentially cause hundreds of thousands of deaths, second because those who take H. also die, like everyone else. It's not because there are deaths that it is ineffective.
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by GuyGadebois » 25/03/20, 12:32

ABC2019 wrote:I know all of this perfectly well, which is precisely why it can be dangerous to let people play with it without specialist supervision. It's like saying "matches are useful, so we can let the children play with them".

Imagine that I taught my son to play with matches rather than forbidding him to do so. : Mrgreen:
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Re: Natural antivirals in boxwood, elderberry ...




by Flytox » 25/03/20, 13:00

The problem with the Boxwood is that it is disappearing at high speed ...
Thanks WHO ? .... the "involuntary" imports of Chinese Pyrales among others.
This "pretty" butterfly forms white clouds by taking off during walks in the forest (Barronies), then for some reason, they die by the millions in the first stream that comes (here the Arros) .... In the meantime, all the box trees in the region have burst in a few months ......

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Sick boxwood: should we uproot them or not?

IN THE GARDEN THIS WEEKEND - European borer, mushrooms: the perils fall on the boxwood. And the remedies are slow to come. Suddenly the presence of this small shrub in the gardens is increasingly questioned.
By Marc Mennessier
Published on October 19, 2018 at 01:42, updated on March 12, 2019 at 12:13
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Stop or again? Should you keep your boxwood victims of the moth and disease or, on the contrary, pass the sponge by planting something else altogether instead? Large estates like Vaux-le-Vicomte took the plunge this summer. But others like Eyrignac and Marqueyssac in Dordogne, or Villandry, in Indre-et-Loire, still want to believe in the future of this small heritage shrub that plays an irreplaceable geometric function, as a border plant, in a very large number of gardens. Including, maybe yours.

"After four centuries of good and loyal service, we must save Private Boxwood!" launched, for its part, Geoffroy de Longuemar, president of the Association of parks and gardens of Brittany, during the scientific conference organized, Tuesday and Wednesday, at the University of Tours. During these two days, the best specialists from France and Europe drew up an instructive panorama of the health problems encountered and identified the means of control available or to come. Suffice to say right away: the account is not there yet. Even if there are authentic glimmers of hope, especially in terms of genetic control.

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The gardens of the Château de Villandry (Indre-et-Loire).
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Appearing in France ten years ago, the box moth (Cydalima perspectalis), a nocturnal butterfly native to China, regularly hits the headlines because of the spectacular damage it causes. Its caterpillars, voracious and numerous, are able to completely defoliate a shrub in the space of two days. Today, however, biological control methods based on organic insecticides such as Bt, guarantee satisfactory control of the parasite. However, they have the disadvantage of being very demanding in terms of time and monitoring, both for an individual and for a professional.

“From March to October, we do a daily inspection and treat the tracks as soon as they appear, which has led us to intervene five times this year. This represents a very heavy workload, but we were thus able to preserve all of our boxwood shelves ”, confided to Le Figaro, Laurent Portuguez, chief gardener of the Château de Villandry. The important thing, in fact, is not to be overwhelmed: depending on the weather, there can be up to three generations of caterpillars per season. If an outbreak occurs during an absence, especially in July or August during a holiday period, the boxwood can be completely destroyed on your return ...
Trapping and sexual confusion
Boxwood moth adult
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Other techniques are being tested, such as trapping and sexual confusion by diffusion of pheromones, natural substances which disorient males and prevent them from fertilizing females. But, in the field, the results are not very conclusive for the moment: the levels of infestation in European corn borer are such that enough butterflies remain to lay and cause irreparable damage. This is how the splendid boxwood embroideries of the Haÿ-les-Roses rose garden (Val-de-Marne) were completely destroyed during an inconclusive test conducted recently by INRA ... However , trapping remains interesting for detecting thefts and intervening effectively and at the right time with a Bt insecticide.

Another promising line of research is trichograms, these tiny wasps that have the particularity of laying in the eggs of the moth which their larvae will feed on. But this treatment is expensive and the tests conducted by Elisabeth Tabone of INRA Antibes have not yet found "the" strain of trichogram sufficiently effective to control the parasite. The horizontal dispersion of insects is low, which poses a problem for the protection of borders and their activity is only optimal at temperatures between 20 and 25 ° C, a threshold largely exceeded in summer, especially in the south of the country. France.
War on two fronts
Boxwood with cylindrocladiosis.
Boxwood with cylindrocladiosis. 26027256 / Anfor - stock.adobe.com

Small sign of hope all the same: recent observations have shown that birds like chickadees and finches are starting to feed on caterpillars caterpillars which they had previously disdained. Ditto for bats, nocturnal insectivore like the moth moth. The installation of nest boxes is therefore strongly recommended in addition to the device.

But if there was only the European moth! Boxwood is also the victim of two formidable parasitic fungi, Volutella buxi and especially Cylindrocladium buxicola, which also appeared around ten years ago. The result: in many situations, war has to be waged on two fronts, which obviously makes it difficult. In addition, sick boxwood are more vulnerable to the European moth and vice versa ...

In the event of an attack of cylindrocladiosis, often lightning in the spring, the only effective treatments are synthetic fungicides from the triazole family. Problem: they do not eliminate the parasite which can resurface at any time and, in the long term, the risk of the appearance of resistance is real. Finally, their use will be prohibited for amateur gardeners from January 1, the date of application of the Labbé law ...
Genetically resistant hybrids
By thinning the hedges, pruning helps prevent disease attacks
By clearing the hedges, pruning helps prevent disease attacks 52415148 / tsach - Fotolia

A misfortune never coming alone, boxwood sempervirens suffriticosa, traditionally used to make borders and embroidery, are by far the most susceptible to cylindrocladiosis. Replacing them with tolerant cultivars, if not resistant, is an option. But for the moment none is really satisfactory, starting with the variety 'Faulkner' which has raised many hopes but whose results in recent trials presented in Tours, are disappointing.

The solution could come from Belgium. At the end of ten years of research, the Herplant company has managed, in collaboration with various public research organizations, to create hybrids offering a very good level of resistance to cylindrocladiosis. They will be marketed next year and are already of interest to many players such as the Château de Villandry. To be continued.
Reduce the density of hedges

Preventive control through fertilization (phosphorus, potassium, trace elements) and working the soil is also a prerequisite. In Lausanne, Paolo Fornara has managed to restore health and vigor to the kilometers of boxwood borders that he manages in the city cemetery, by covering the ground with pruning waste from crushed trees, or BRF, and by stopping herbicides . "Earthworms that no longer had anything to eat have started to do their work and the contribution of organic matter has helped to regenerate the soil," he explains, calling for the return of good agronomic practices. Pruning also plays an important preventive role: "It is necessary to reduce the density of hedges by shortening and thinning them", recommends Laurent Chabane, chief gardener of the manor of Eyrignac who also encourages to drain the soil to prevent water to stagnate or to blow the hedges to dry them in case of risk of attack.

So many requirements have what to discourage. Especially when the result is not guaranteed. There is therefore a great temptation to turn to similar species. But as always, these substitutes have their requirements and their shortcomings. Holly Ilex crenata, for example, is completely allergic to calcareous soils, pittosporum freezes below -5 ° C, the Japanese charcoal (Euonymus japonicus) lacks leaf density while being very sensitive to scale attacks, berberis have thorns, which is not comfortable to cut them, etc. While boxwood is a rustic and robust plant, of great genetic variability, which adapts to almost all soil and climatic situations, it is clear that its replacements are much less. Too bad it is parasitized at this point ...

The boxwood collection of the Château de la Ballue has just been labeled

The Conservatory of Specialized Plant Collections (CCVS) awarded its precious label to six new collections on Friday, during the Chantilly plant festival.

Among them, the boxwood collection of the Château de la Ballue (Ille-et-Vilaine) includes a remarkable collection of 78 species for a total of around 400 boxwood grown in the park, the fruit of 10 years of work carried out with the advice 'Hubert Puzenat, architect of the gardens.

The collection is open to visitors, in addition to the visit to the historic gardens, which are absolutely remarkable. All the boxwoods are brought to natural harbor and are never pruned so as to make the public discover the great diversity of habit, color and leaf shapes, growth speed, genus Buxus. The boxwood collection from the Ballue gardens, currently spared from the European moth and fungal diseases. is very healthy.
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