Poisoning aluminum

[bidouille23]

learning that should be brought up to date ...

What about ceramic filtration? nanofiltration smaller than the size of viruses, and bacteria, so still not too bad on, friends more expensive than chlorine ... well I say that I say nothing ...


We can always find a good reason to use all the chemicals we want ... as you say we only find what we want to look for ...

ok for the pottery, if I soak you, the enameled casseroles what does it give ?? close to a simple search actually it's not better there would be alumina used for what is called neutral ... this say fix in fused silica (some glass ...)

Anyway, we don't actually get out .... Mffff is not winning ...

[chatelot16]

for aluminum in natural products, another topic showed the wikipedia page on honey

K: 200 - 1500
Ca: 40 - 300
Na: 16 - 170
Mg: 7 - 130
Al: 3 - 60
Fe: 0,3 - 40
Zn: 0,5 - 20
Mn: 0,2 - 10
Cu: 0,2 - 6,0
Ni: 0,3 - 1,3
Co: 0,01 - 0,5
Cr: 0,1 - 0,3
Pb: <0,02 - 0,8
Cd: <0,005 - 0,15

there he did not forget to analyze the aluminum! 3 to 40 mg / kg
proof that aluminum is not rare in natural products

if aluminum is too dangerous you must stop eating and drinking to die of hunger in good health

[chatelot16]

What about ceramic filtration? nanofiltration smaller than the size of viruses, and bacteria, so still not too bad on, friends more expensive than chlorine ... well I say that I say nothing ...

the chamberland filter is described in the old books of 1900
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Chamberland

it stops microbes well, but does not have the same effect as chlorine ... stopping microbes does not prevent new microbes from taking the place ... the advantage of chlorine is that it has a prolonged action to prevent the proliferation of microbes after sterilization

I have rainwater at home which keeps well without chlorine or filtering ... it is simply pure enough for the bacteria that develop on the tank walls to quickly exhaust the little organic matter it contains ... and when there is no more microbe food there is no more microbe ... just a deposit at the bottom of the tank ... and the water coming out of the pump is preserved as mineral water

the chamberland filter stops whole microbes ... but does not stop all organic matter dissolved in water that can feed new microbes ... so it does not transform dirty water into clean water

chlorine also does not remove organic matter that can nourish microbes, but it prohibits microbes from living

[bidouille23]

Chatelo if you want I opened a thread among other things on nice sites that deals with water treatment precisely;)

https://www.econologie.com/forums/site-sympa ... 12289.html

and some links ...

http://www.cnrs.fr/cw/dossiers/doseau/d ... trMem.html


The reasoning is not wrong but once again chlorine well it's a story here it is already the halu with the aluminum, and with the chlorine have healed instead of making prevention still a liver. .. And the other method to prevent germs from living, what is it then? without going through chemistry;) ...

index :

I site the eautarcie site that I know for 10 years:

"L'EAUTARCIE is the result of twenty years of scientific research carried out in part at the Faculty of Applied Sciences of the University of Lubumbashi (Congo) and at the University of Mons-Hainaut (Belgium)"

the water is stoker and drunk .... chlorine free ...

[Janic]

we must stop this "Pasteurian" phobia of the microbe! Without germs or bacteria, no more life at all. Who has not seen animals drink somatra water without causing any pathogenic reaction (my animals preferred to drink water in a puddle than that coming from the tap). For those fearful of germs, just boil the water to consume!

alu vaccine! it's more serious because injected directly into the blood ... the fact that we use this aluminum in the vaccines proves that we consider it harmless ... so that we can also put it in all kinds of things that i don't know

Unless being naive, the fact that a product is used does not mean that it is harmless, but simply that the benefit / risk ratio compared to the benefit / cost, it is the latter which prevails because unlike the America where a manufacturer can be sued and condemned to huge sums for damage, France protects its industrialists just follow the asbestos trial where it has been known for a century. " irresponsible but not guilty ! »

hack hello

The principle of vaccination I do not speak about it, good not good I do not care, I speak of the fact that certain vaccine contains aluminum, point, you know what I mean.

For vaccines there is a dedicated subject, but saying I don't care, it's like having to choose to have one hand cut and say I don't care as long as I have preserved the other.

[bidouille23]

Hello,

Janic thank you for these explanations still a clear liver and full of common sense ...

As for the little word "I don't care", I put it in the context in which I heard it ...

I do not care I have my opinion on it, I will actually go see the subject above story to complete it ...

When I said I don't care (wrongly) it was not to go on the subject of "for or against" vaccination, roughly the equivalent would be "I put aside the subject of for or against whom n is not the debate ... "

an error here is what it is, a language error ....

[chatelot16]

I do not have the phobia of the microbe ... I never had a problem with my rainwater without chlorine ... but if this water was distributed to other accommodation, the first which has the chiasse for n any other reason will make me go to jail ...

with the regulatory chlorine level the water merchant is safe from any accusation

the problem is different in poor countries where many have only very bad water ... any tank made no matter how good is already better ... you should not necessarily be too inspired to obtain an acceptable purity in France

big dubious thing: the idea that a cement tank neutralizes the acidity of rainwater ... yes rainwater is acid so it eats a little cement ... but if you knew all that 'there is in cement ... really not only limestone ... there is a bit of all metals, including chromium

one of the most common exposure to chromium which causes occupational illness is the masons who too often put their hands in the cement!

So those who are afraid of aluminum in the water of water merchants would do well to avoid ordinary cement tanks: make a casing in special food grade coating ... which is normally the case with chateaux. cement water

and if it is necessary to neutralize the acidity of the rainwater simply put a little calcareous gravel in the tank

[Janic]

I do not have the phobia of the microbe ... I never had a problem with my rainwater without chlorine ... but if this water was distributed to other accommodation, the first which has the chiasse for n any other reason will make me go to jail ...

that did not concern you in particular, but our pasteurized society where the person responsible for the disease becomes as usual the other: the microbe, the bacteria, the virus, etc ... but never, oh very never, personal behavior .

an error here is what it is, a language error ....

In my great leniency, I forgive you!

[bidouille23]

hooo thank you Janic so much leniency go straight to my heart , however, I expected no less from you;) ....

dare I say that a dose of abstraction would be necessary from time to time? oops i said ;)

[Obamot]

The safety of aluminum salts on breast cells disputed

A cell biology study, conducted by researchers from the University of Geneva (UNIGE) and funded mainly by the Meyer Foundation, the Geneva Cancer League and the Foundation for the fight against cancer and for medico-biological research, highlights the harmful effects of aluminum salts (aluminum hydrochloride and aluminum chloride), present in conventional deodorants, on human breast cells in vitro. If this study does not constitute formal proof of the responsibility of aluminum salts in the development of breast cancer, it disputes the safety of these salts on breast cells.

The results of this research were published in the scientific journal Journal of Applied Toxicology.

The increase in the number of breast cancers in industrialized countries in recent decades has been accompanied by an evolution in the anatomical distribution of this cancer, which now develops mainly in the external part of the mammary gland, near the armpits. This localization raises the question of the responsibility of deodorants containing aluminum salts - whose penetration in the skin is proven, in the formation of breast cancer. To date, little or no experimental or epidemiological data has been able to reinforce or refute this hypothesis.

A team from UNIGE, coordinated by Stefano Mandriota, biology researcher at the Faculty of Medicine, and by André-Pascal Sappino, honorary professor and specialist in breast cancer, carried out a series of in vitro experiments which revealed the harmful effects of aluminum salts on human breast cells.

Confirmed harmful effects
Normal human breast epithelial cell models were cultured in an environment containing doses of aluminum salts 1 to 500 times lower than those found in conventional deodorants. After several weeks, the researchers found that the aluminum salts have harmful effects on the breast cells and lead to abnormal behavior, which corresponds to the first phases of malignant transformation of the cells.

By a phenomenon that scientists call "contact inhibition", normal cells, when cultured, stop growing when they come into contact with each other. Mr. Mandriota's team discovered that breast cells that have been exposed to aluminum salts lose this contact inhibition and continue to multiply: they behave like cells on the path to malignant transformation.

This study also highlighted the increasing number of double-stranded DNA breaks in breast cells exposed to aluminum salts, caused by impaired cell proliferation. These breaks could be related to the induction of the malignant transformation of these mammary cells, caused by aluminum salts.

In addition, the researchers analyzed the behavior of breast cells exposed to aluminum salts in agarose gels (soft agar assay). Where normal cells remain isolated, cells exposed to aluminum salts form colonies. This behavior is typical of tumor cells and cells on the path to malignant transformation.

"Although this study does not make it possible to affirm that the aluminum salts, present in conventional deodorants, cause the development of breast cancer, it constitutes scientific proof of the harmfulness of these salts on breast cells", concludes Stefano Mandriota.

CONTACT
Stefano J. Mandriota: +41 (0) 22 372 38 29
or by writing to him at: stefano.mandriota@unige.ch
André-Pascal Sappino: +41 (0) 22 545 80 85
or by writing to him at: pascal.sappino@unige.ch

Source: http://www.medecine.unige.ch/actualites ... =A20120124