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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by Gébé » 09/02/19, 19:21

Janic wrote:
This is typically the same issue that arises in the debate between creationists and evolutionists!
I slip on this, the long debate on this subject shows that it is not a problem, but only different opinions.

Exactly, with a science on one side and a belief on the other.
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by sen-no-sen » 09/02/19, 19:23

Janic wrote:I think we must distinguish on one side this supposedly popular paranoia and medical professionals, allopathic as homeopathic who are confronted with realities and whose implementation of the chosen therapy must be the sole and unique criterion of value.


There are dogmas in medicine, as elsewhere, and homeopathy pays the price.
Current knowledge does not allow to model the mode of operation of homeopathy, so many reductionist doctors preaches are abandonment (but they are a minority).
However the homeo is developing in so-called emerging countries like India or Brazil, which should ensure without much problem are expansion.

I slip on this, the long debate on this subject shows that it is not a problem, but only different opinions.


In the context of conspiracy it is not a matter of opinion but of confusion and error of reasoning.
Confusing the causes and consequences is regrettable as it ends up fueling violence*.
In times of crisis, conspiracy theses are closely monitored because they can quickly lead to hateful ideologies by designating minorities as guilty of the ills of society (Jews, Roma, Travelers, Freemasons etc.). ...).


* The human being when he can not express his rancor, ends up evacuating his violence by directing it on a pretended and often symbolic cause. This is yet another way to avoid the phenomenon inhibition of action.
Putting a name on the supposed origin of his setbacks temporarily makes it possible to get rid of some of his internal troubles.
However, when such phenomena occur in groups and enter into coalescence, they may end up leading the population towards one of the most terrible.
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by Janic » 09/02/19, 20:23

janic wrote: I think we must distinguish on one side this supposed popular paranoia and medical professionals, allopathic as homoeopathic who are confronted with realities and whose establishment of the chosen therapy must be the only and unique criterion of value.
There are dogmas in medicine, as elsewhere, and homeopathy pays the price.
as well as other medicines that disturb an industry wishing to maintain its monopoly, especially in the West, its chosen land.
Current knowledge does not allow to model the mode of operation of homeopathy, so many reductionist doctors preaches are abandonment (but they are a minority).
The H. obeys known laws such as that of dilution widely used in allopathy (it is also on this model that Hahnemann relied, he was a doctor with a course also amazing!) More controversial is the phenomenon of dynamization which should not be so since this phenomenon is common in biology. As for modeling, it is also to take the risk of falling into the same through as allopathy with its small closed boxes which should not go out except to risk sanctions. It is only to see what has become of BIo after normalization.
And this is what is important, is that the medical system of his time was not so elaborate that currently and with few chemicals, already, the doctor had to deal with the state of his ill. When H demonstrates the effectiveness of his method, doctors quickly become aware of their commitment to first not to harm the patient. This aspect has been put in the background in favor of immediate effectiveness, without taking into account long-term side effects.
number of reductionist doctors preaches therefore are abandonment (but they are minority).
It is not the number that counts but the power of their action (which is just as valid for the H) and they are supported by a powerful and very rich industry, which facilitates them a lot of things.
However the homeo is developing in so-called emerging countries like India or Brazil, which should ensure without much problem are expansion.
In part, because poor countries do not have the financial means to buy BP's products, and they have only limited interest in large drug companies (like for orphan diseases) Bill Gates is fired from India because of the excessive price of its products compared to generics that they could produce themselves.

I slip on this, the long debate on this subject shows that it is not a problem, but only different opinions.
In the context of conspiracy it is not a matter of opinion but confusion and reasoning error.
on which criteria?
We must stop mixing everything. In OUR country, ultra policed, the real plotters, endangering society, are known. But the "conspiracy" mentioned here are not dangers for our society, but only for financial or caste interests. It is therefore a question of difference of opinion otherwise one falls back into the inquisition with its results.
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by sen-no-sen » 09/02/19, 20:51

Janic wrote: But the "conspiracy" mentioned here are not dangers for our society, but only for financial or caste interests. It is therefore a question of difference of opinion otherwise one falls back into the inquisition with its results.


A conspirator remains a conspirator.
We can very well defend Homeopathy (as the Dr. Gardenal) without turning into conspiracy delirium.
There are unfortunately groups defending an idealized vision of alternative medicine and ready to use hoax to develop their activities.
Such groups act by imitations and in response to what he calls "Big Pharma" ... but a reaction product remains a substitute and does not allow problems to be overcome, on the contrary it stirs them up.
Indeed, in the face of certain excesses, many people prefer to turn to pharmaco-chemistry.
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by pedrodelavega » 10/02/19, 02:32

sen-no-sen wrote:Current knowledge does not allow to model the way in which homeopathy works,
On the other hand, current knowledge makes it possible to assess its "ineffectiveness".

sen-no-sen wrote:However the homeo is developing in so-called emerging countries like India or Brazil, which should ensure without much problem are expansion.
Because they can not afford to be treated by an effective medicine. We were in the same case before: cure grandmother, bleeding and bones of all kinds ... and so on and science has mingled and life expectancy has skyrocketed. If their standard of living rises enough, these emerging countries will also come there.
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by Janic » 10/02/19, 09:11

janic wrote: But the "conspiracy" evoked here are not dangers for our society, but only for financial or caste interests. It is therefore a question of difference of opinion otherwise one falls back into the inquisition with its results.

A conspirator remains a conspirator.
One can very well defend Homeopathy (like Dr. Gardenal) without turning into conspiracy delirium.
There are unfortunately groups defending an idealized vision of alternative medicine and ready to use hoax to develop their activities.
Such groups act by imitations and in response to what he calls "Big Pharma" ... but a reaction product remains a substitute and does not allow problems to be overcome, on the contrary it stirs them up.
Indeed, in the face of certain excesses, many people prefer to turn to pharmaco-chemistry.

Let's go back point by point:
A conspirator remains a conspirator.
But what is really a conspirator, everything is there. How is a protester different from any system of another protester who declares that this system is the object of a plot (as defined by the dictionary). Is it the denounced system that is conspiracy (who is hiding) or who denounces it?

One can very well defend Homeopathy (like Dr. Gardenal) without turning into conspiracy delirium.
Homeopathy is not one subjects that are subject to challenge.
Pr Joyeux is not a homeopath, but he contests, not the vaccinations, but the vaccination schedule too early, which is classified, cataloged as conspiracy against the system as antivaccinalist. IS IT COMPLOTIST?
Dr. Delepine and his wife, also retired oncologists, who no longer have to answer to the Vichy doctors' order, who also disputes the system in various ways, is also cataloged this way. DR Wakefield and Schmidt were the subject of this ostracism before being rehabilitated by the justice of 2 country and yet they continue to be the subject of this same plot conspiracy pseudo science and company. And everything to match!
There are unfortunately groups defending an idealized vision of alternative medicine and ready to use hoax to develop their activities.
What, according to this formulation, would mean that school medicine does not have an idealized vision of conventional medicine and therefore does not mystify its clientele? Be serious ! If she did her job properly (this medicine not the doctor who just applies what he learned at school) there would be no need to resort to other means, but she wants to keep its chemical monopoly by denigrating everything that does not conform to its protocols ... cans.
Since 5 decades I am close to these alternative medicines and I practice some so-called natural, so without chemicals, and I have never had to deal with gougnafiers. I have already mentioned many examples. So we must stop putting all the rotten eggs or not, in the same basket.
Now imagine (but it can happen to anyone without waiting for it) that you have cancer, for example, in stage IVfinal stage, and this conventional medicine tells you that you have only a short time to live, a few months at most [*]. What are you doing ? You kindly wait for the lady with her big fake to harvest you or are you looking for a solution, any one to try to survive? I know in advance the answer of course!
Tell me that damn for damn, officially, anything is better than doing nothing, with the risk, minimal, of falling on a charlot making promises that he could not, maybe not, hold.
I say minimal why? Outside the official circuit, there is a parallel circuit that happens by word of mouth based on the results obtained (not these small ads on newspapers or not specialized) and to which our pseudo pseudo science do not have access (them can die quietly with the conscience that they did well to trust the system in place) hence this completely false speech which is the object of conspiracy to the orders of BP precisely:
Such groups act by imitations and in response to what he calls "Big Pharma" ... but a reaction product remains a substitute and does not allow problems to be overcome, on the contrary it stirs them up.

What do you know? You affirm this by personal experience (missed in this case) or by saying yes only, these famous smear campaigns that make the buzz and the joy of BP precisely (whether he orchestrates it or not).
It's a trap for the "critical" mind to believe without checking on the job! But at the same time this unguided reaction is understandable as long as a person is not in a position to verify its veracity or lies. 'I repeat again this reflection of Auguste Lumière and taken by many real scientists' experience, unique source of truth »
Indeed, in the face of certain excesses, many people prefer to turn to pharmaco-chemistry.

Strangely, I have never seen a move in this direction, while it is usually the opposite that occurs. Except that we expect parallel medicines, and which precisely, to repair what BP broke with its toxic chemicals and unfortunately it is not always possible to repair the damage caused by others, all at its limits. But if this therapist in question crashes, then it is haro on the donkey, it is one of the newspapers scandal, rarely, if ever, the opposite and it is " charlatan who let die such sick "(Without specifying that before he had been considered as fucked by the official doctors). But that's not, thankfully and obviously (sic), serious, nor deserves to be mentioned and so are fake news and denigration free of charge.
do not let yourself be carried away by these media issues. Check, check again, always check the origin of these fake news and then act in conscience.

[*] for example the case of David Servan Schreiber who granted himself a beautiful extension of life and which could have been much longer according to his own opinion.

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Current knowledge does not allow to model the way in which homeopathy works,

On the other hand, current knowledge makes it possible to assess its "ineffectiveness".
like the fake news specialist who brings her back.
Its effectiveness is and has always been proven by the results in the field, not hiding behind a computer to spread his lies.
All known knowledge today, shows that between the reality of the lived and this almost non-existent knowledge, there is a huge gap.
All living things did not wait for a scientific demonstration to breathe and therefore in total ignorance of its chemical composition, lung exchanges and all its complex mechanisms, otherwise we would all have died before having lived. In the same way we have always drunk and eaten without knowing what these different elements were made of, otherwise we would also have died before having lived. So lying down, at the niche, pseudo pseudo scientists
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However the homeo is developing in so-called emerging countries like India or Brazil, which should ensure without much problem are expansion.
Because they can not afford to be treated by an effective medicine. We were in the same case before: cure grandmother, bleeding and bones of all kinds ... I pass and then science has mingled with it and life expectancy has skyrocketed. If their standard of living rises enough, these emerging countries will also come there.
always so funny and ridiculous in his arguments. Science has and always had metro heaps behind reality, which is normal since its role is only to describe phenomena, not to invent them.
Life expectancy, it is actually skyrocketed as soon as child mortality has been curbed by hygiene (at least all doctors agree on this point) which makes up the statistics. But if we can not deny a certain effectiveness in chemical medicine (compared with the Middle Ages for example) it is negative by its toxicity (benefit / risk) and remove one breast, or both, the ovaries, the uterus, the prostate, the tonsils, and all the rest is very effective too, but traumatic for the operated, irradiated, chemically of all kinds. If this is effective medicine, we can not be surprised that it is more and more challenged and fear for its traumatic side effects
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Re: Homeopathy metaphorically explained for dummies




by Gébé » 10/02/19, 11:06

Janic wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:
Current knowledge does not allow to model the way in which homeopathy works,

On the other hand, current knowledge makes it possible to assess its "ineffectiveness".
like the fake news specialist who brings her back.
Its effectiveness is and has always been proven by the results in the field,

I do not want to fall into your trap of constantly despising those who are not of your opinion; but frankly, your assertion is ridiculous.
We are talking about medicine anyway and there are some moons that have passed the stage of the empirical.
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by Janic » 10/02/19, 12:46

I do not want to fall into your trap of constantly despising those who are not of your opinion; but frankly, your assertion is ridiculous.
I am only sending the ball back to those who sent it to me first. Even if you are respectful of different opinions, there will be no valid reason to return the ball in question.
We are talking about medicine anyway and there are some moons that have passed the stage of the empirical.
you then have illusions. Consult the different phases of the drugs before the AMM. If it is not empirical what can be it? Phases through which H also passes, except for toxicity, since the health authority recognizes that there is none with minimum dilution imposed in 2CH.
What would I say then? Ah yes! "frankly your assertion is ridiculous" : Cheesy:
therefore BEFORE criticizing an unconventional mode of care, begins first to study thoroughly this one. It may save you from covering yourself with ridicule. : Evil:
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by Gébé » 10/02/19, 13:02

Amen : Lol:
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by Janic » 10/02/19, 13:06

Amen!

Amen too! :D
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for example can we consider this as a conspiracy theory
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