History of Helicobacter pylori

[the middle]

The purpose of this post is twofold.
1) denounce the working methods of current medicine
2) give hope to those who have this animal in the guts
A few years ago, the doctors discovered that my wife had helicobactaire in her stomach (result: ulcers, pain ...)
Treatment: 2 antibiotics for 15 days, following this treatment, the animal is still there.
Reprocessing with other, stronger antibiotics, etc.
These treatments are difficult to bear.
Finally, the specialists say to my wife, you will have to resign yourself to living with it.After a last attempt by the doctor, still with more powerful antibiotics, it is proposed a gastroscopy, to take a sample from the animal, in order to search in the lab, which antibiotic would do the trick.
The gastro is done and the doctor announces to my wife that the stomach is miraculously repaired! the helicobacter has "fallen asleep"The gastrologist is amazed!
And me, I laughed full my paunch, pcq 3 weeks before the exam, I had bought on the internet an organic product which I made swallow to my wife.
I had researched the net, and a product from plants seemed to work.
Nothing to lose, I bought, tested and the result is there.
I wonder why medicine does not try soft methods first, before using heavy artillery..
Well, ok, this is a case, we should not generalize (it would take several people subjected to this treatment to verify the value of this treatment).
Some links concerning the animal, and its organic treatment.
http://www.supersmart.com/fr--Gastro-In ... 0-mg--0207
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistacia_lentiscus
Fortunately you know me, if not, it could look like advertising!
ps if by chance you test this product, give feedback on this post

[Janic]

Good morning hello
beautiful result!

I wonder why medicine does not try soft methods first, before using heavy artillery ...

a) because doctors don't learn them in university
b) because it thwarts huge financial interests.
Compare the price of this gum and the cost that this has already induced in treatment and the one that would have followed without this route. Business, business, business is sacred! It is part of "the strategy of manipulating peoples!"

[Christophe]

Yes there is that (voluntary ignorance and economic pressures) but it is also necessary to speak about the fact of risk that many doctors don't want to take!

A laboratory molecule is tested at length with clinical studies (which an herbalism could never afford) ... and generally in most cases "it works" (it works so well that there are often side effects) .. .

Alternative medicine generally works less well (I'm talking about pure statistics ...) ... so the "profession" has given up on it. Moreover the profession of herbalist (pure) is prohibited in France from Vichy it seems to me ... too much competition for pharmacists !!
See: https://www.econologie.com/forums/le-metier- ... 11693.html

So it's a bit like the heating engineer who prefers to continue installing oil-fired boilers rather than innovating in pellet boilers because oil when it works, it works and the customer is happy even if he could have saved 40% from his bill to pellets ...

In other words: there are fewer and fewer people who "have" in this world ...

[raymon]

In the same genre, my mother has had Alzheimer's disease for 10 years after seeing this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVD7ZuCe3vY

I have given her 2 tablespoons of coconut oil for 1 month and she is doing better. She talks more is more active remembers more things ... Obviously she is not cured. Too bad the coconut oil is not patentable. There is a max of wheat to do with it!


There are 800 people who have this disease in France.

[Did67]

I also think that there are "lots of things"!

a) the remains of a generation "force-fed" to "scientific miracles" - antibiotics, we walked on the front page, computers ... We are immersed in a "scientifist culture"

b to lost empirical knowledge. Sometimes "silly", sometimes very relevant ...

Today, more and more effects of known and explained plants ...

One of the "anticancer drugs", taxol, is extracted from Taxus, better known under the name of yew (classified as "toxic" among plants).

b) But beware!

Another testimony, mine!

Heart attack in 2007. I survive. We must "lower" cholesterol. I have no more medicine. 3 months later, the results of ananysis: cholesterol down, but an alcoholic liver (to the point that it will take my wife's testimony so that in hepato, they end up admitting that I am not! ).

I delete, unilaterally (without the agreement of the doctors) the molecule in question.

The liver is recovering (slowly - I still have high gamma-GT today, but I'm nearing the high limit. But the cholesterol is going up.

They talk to me about "red yeast rice". I order, take the recommended dose. 3 months later: drop in cholesterol, rise in gamma-GT!

Three months I take nothing: rise in cholesterol / drop in gamma-GT.

I make a second test with the yeast: rebelotte. Cholesterol falling / rising in gamma-GT.

It turns out that "roge rice yeast" contains the same molecule as the drug. So same effects !!! (positive and negative
!)

By dint of searching the net, I ended up finding a Canadian study that confirmed this.


In short, even with "natural" products, you have to be wary! Hemlock, or curare, as far as I know, are natural! And a lot of mushrooms ...

[Janic]

Alternative medicine generally works less well

deep error coming from media manipulations with hidden industrial interests.
Not only does it work as well, but even better!

(I speak in pure statistics ...) ...

Which ones? Made by whom? Etc ... How can statistics be established on what doctors do not generally practice, while "charlatans" are not surveyed?

then the "profession" has given up on it. Moreover the profession of herbalist (pure) is prohibited in France from Vichy it seems to me ... too much competition for pharmacists !!

especially the labs, by medical staff, want to keep a juicy monopoly, the same way they want to recover the drugs.
The pharmaceutical industry, it is billions of turnover and billions of profits redistributed to large shareholders like l'Oréal and Total and meanwhile we cry in the cottages with telethons which represent only one drop of water for these financiers, but that they are careful not to pour back to fight against these orphan diseases. An ethical scandal!
Money is the god of this world!

[elephant]

We will still say to the doctors that their choice is simple:

- obtain a result giving a known probability of success with a known treatment. "80% of peptic ulcers are caused by H. pylori1 infections, although in many infected humans the disease remains asymptomatic." (Wikipedia) Helicobacter pylori is a very good example: its action on duodenal ulcer is a fairly recent discovery (1982)

- or tinker ....

In addition, diagnosing an ulcer at the general practitioner's level and treating it with antibiotics is (80%), quick and inexpensive.
If you have to either wait or take out the big (and expensive) technological artillery in each case, it is not satisfactory, neither for the majority of patients, nor for social security

You, as a patient, your choice is simple:

- tinkering (and risking seeing complications develop or missing out on something serious and irreversible)

- directly entrust the case "to the technician who knows" (well .... who is supposed to know more than you)
With, nevertheless a risk of uncertainty (I was quoted the case of a kid, admitted to the emergency room for something relatively benign, like a fracture and who died with 3 doctors around him)

And finally: relief is not always synonymous with healing ...

[Janic]

Elephant hello
You underline there one of the peculiarities of Western medicine which specializes in diagnostics (it is necessary), but which only has means developed by the pharmaceutical industries, essentially chemical, with this inevitable aspect of the ratio advantages vs disadvantages . You could, moreover, have noticed that the patients only turn to alternative medicine after the therapies offered by the medics have failed (rarely before!).
So the risks of making things worse are rarely the case. In addition, no therapy (whether in classical medicine or in alternative medicine) works 100%, resulting in failure on both sides.

- or tinker ....

The key is to agree on the meaning of tinkering. Most therapists in alternative medicine first graduated in allopathic university medicine and know as well as their colleagues the limits and possibilities of their techniques (let's say that their additional training is on the contrary a plus). Besides, certain therapies have centuries of hindsight and verification of the effectiveness of the means used such as acupuncture, homeopathy, phytotherapy or others.
Finally, certain non-conventional means, the effectiveness of which is verifiable but for which it is not "scientifically" recognized is also a way of healing, prevention, education (such as dietetics).

With, nevertheless a risk of uncertainty (I was quoted the case of a kid, admitted to the emergency room for something relatively benign, like a fracture and who died with 3 doctors around him)

Unfortunately, it happens!
Take the example of cancer where we are told, where we are trumpeted more with media communications forces, more than 100.000 "cures" (which are often only remissions elsewhere). It is like the case of the half-empty or half-full bottle, and which will not announce that they record more than 146.000 annual failures, therefore 146.000 deaths due to non-DIY!

[oli 80]

I also think that there are "lots of things"!

a) the remains of a generation "force-fed" to "scientific miracles" - antibiotics, we walked on the front page, computers ... We are immersed in a "scientifist culture"

b to lost empirical knowledge. Sometimes "silly", sometimes very relevant ...

Today, more and more effects of known and explained plants ...

One of the "anticancer drugs", taxol, is extracted from Taxus, better known under the name of yew (classified as "toxic" among plants).

b) But beware!

Another testimony, mine!

Heart attack in 2007. I survive. We must "lower" cholesterol. I have no more medicine. 3 months later, the results of ananysis: cholesterol down, but an alcoholic liver (to the point that it will take my wife's testimony so that in hepato, they end up admitting that I am not! ).

I delete, unilaterally (without the agreement of the doctors) the molecule in question.

The liver is recovering (slowly - I still have high gamma-GT today, but I'm nearing the high limit. But the cholesterol is going up.

They talk to me about "red yeast rice". I order, take the recommended dose. 3 months later: drop in cholesterol, rise in gamma-GT!

Three months I take nothing: rise in cholesterol / drop in gamma-GT.

I make a second test with the yeast: rebelotte. Cholesterol falling / rising in gamma-GT.

It turns out that "roge rice yeast" contains the same molecule as the drug. So same effects !!! (positive and negative
!)

By dint of searching the net, I ended up finding a Canadian study that confirmed this.


In short, even with "natural" products, you have to be wary! Hemlock, or curare, as far as I know, are natural! And a lot of mushrooms ...

Good evening, there are also teas or herbal teas, which we find a lot in Germany they call it blutreinigung
which means cleans the blood, there are many kinds
for cholesterol, for sugar if the rate is high
and for many other things

[elephant]

Did 67

Yes, when I see the problems we have with "simple" (electronic) systems, I have a nightmare when I imagine the problems we can have with a system as complicated as the body of a so-called superior mammal.

If you also get us into side effects

I am willing to believe your testimony, but:

1) you tell us about a case that you know well, but isolated

2) it worked for you, we are very happy

it's not easy: I remember my mother: she suffered from Parkinson's, her general practitioner ended up sending her to the neurologist:
he immediately withdrew an intestinal disorder medication that interacted with the Parkinson's medication.
Doctors are not already proud of the interactions of 2 Médoc, so you think: when there are 8 different.

Basically, in electronics, we would be told: why you fix this with that, and then you do that, etc ?? Put a good microphone in the right place in a good room and it will be really good (and possibly take another musician )

my daughter is used to reading notices; well she took it: it saved her from taking a drug that would have prevented her from playing (she is a concert performer)

To sum up, the question is: what to do?

We all have ailments for which we have solutions that work, but for the rest, we always have a risk of falling into the X percent of uncertainty.

Alternative medicines often give interesting results, but the risks are the same, and too often blindly.

Even more fun: my daughter's medicine woman recognized that for her sleep disorders, she was not able to order her the most effective with the least side effects .... cannabis