Eco-anxiety: the great discomfort of ecological youth

[Forhorse]

It is typically a lobbyist method: multiply the number of protest messages to gain visibility and give the impression that their message is majority in volume. But we know very well that it is the one who yells the loudest who is right.
That's why here we have several climate-skeptic subjects, mainly always open by the same ones, to ultimately say the same thing and therefore only one discussion thread would be necessary.
But when you arrive on the site you see mainly discussions which dispute the RCA and / or its effects (negative) the goal is thus fulfilled: even if the "ecologists" speak about it, it is undoubtedly that this history of RCA is can...

This is exactly the same principle as "scientific" studies about anything that is harmful to health or the environment but which brings in a lot of money for some.
For example for tobacco it was like this: when a scientific study showed that tobacco was dangerous for health, the tobacco lobby funded 200 who said the opposite, the truth was drowned in disinformation and no one paid attention to the poor little study against smoking.

Here the oil companies and others with converging interests try to apply the same technique. it works less well because people are not blind and realize that within a generation there have already been changes and that fossils are also the source of quite a few other problems. .. but hey, that does not prevent lobbyists from always using the same heavy strings while waiting to find something else to try to smoke us out.

[ABC2019]

There are some sufficiently significant and indisputable facts: RCA and the scarcity of fossil fuels

it is in itself inconsistent to say that the two are indisputable, since they are contradictory. If there is a scarcity of fossil fuels in the near future, that will necessarily limit the RCA to modest values.

What do you take in the morning? Stop right away, it causes "2-ball reasoning".
Today there is no RCA?

I said it will limit it, I didn't say there wasn't.

Today there is no more fossil fuels?
Basically we're halfway through the fossil fuel stockpile, so RCA is not going to end anytime soon, which you know for a fact.
Then your subjective and above ground considerations, serious or not serious RCA as long as not millions of dead stamped RCA, I leave you at your breakfast ...

What is the difference in the emission curves between having a close peak because of reserves and having a close peak because efforts are made to restrict the consumption of fossils? CO2 doesn't care why it is emitted or not.

Since in any case the fossil peak can only arrive after today (or at best if it was reached in 2019 and will never rise above), it is very unlikely that we will emit less than double what we have now emitted, except to imagine a very rapid drop in CO2 production, which in itself would probably be much more damaging for society than RCA.

[Ahmed]

Forhorse, your analysis is quite relevant *, but with regard to the last point, the oil companies obviously play on their favorite raw material (in both senses of the term!), but are now betting on other sources of profit , since their job is essentially (sic!) to earn money and it does not matter to them whether it is oil or something else that is the pretext: the transition ecological industrial printing process energy, that's their cause!

* Soon, if this continues, this forum may rightly be entitled "Techno-nihilism forum", before sinking to have nothing to say ...

[Forhorse]

it depends on the oil companies / energy companies, some have started a transition process and are already almost in the petroleum primer, some are just doing green-washing (I install EV charging stations but I make sure they do not work in order to anchor people in the idea that "EVs are crap") and others are still stuck in the last century and doing everything to stay in all oil.

[Ahmed]

Yes, there is necessarily a competition between the groups and various strategies result from it, knowing that the places are "expensive" and will become scarce ...

[sen-no-sen]

As it was recently said John Kerry , RCA is an "opportunity" (... to make lots of money).
However, there are two opposing camps, notably in the USA on how to approach the issue of future business.
On the one hand the "reaction" camp, embodied by Trump, pro fossil and climate-skeptic, on the other the "progressive" camp* pro-ENR (and pro-fossil too!) defender of the fight against RCA.
So we have two versions of the same system that clash, 1.0 against 2.0, white cap white cap ...
"Divide and rule", what better than to create polemics on the warming between pro and anti RCA while during this time, the big pundits of techno-liberalism organize their next takeover bid on the planet.

For John Kerry and Emmanuel Macron, the defense of the climate joins the economic interest
At the Elysee Palace, Emmanuel Macron and John Kerry, Joe Biden's representative, agreed: ecology is one of the great business opportunities of this century.

https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/environnement/pour-john-kerry-et-emmanuel-macron-la-defense-du-climat-rejoint-l-interet-economique_2146815.html
How to be clearer?

* In order to materialize part of the enormous mass of fictitious liquidity injected in particular since 2008, the pro-RCA progressive clans have a very large lead over the "opposing" camp: it is much more profitable to feign the ecological position, because the latter is actually much more profitable than the second, on the one hand by producing innovation, on the other by allowing the implementation of a liberticidal policy ... while continuing to burn full of oil and gas!

[Ahmed]

It is in fact obvious that the conservative anti-"ecological" transition position (sic) is archaic (in the sense of maximizing energy dissipation) and goes against the well-understood interests, both of the economic system and of the economy. technological system (which are of course closely intertwined). In reality, these major actors embody forces that transcend them: they are only the toys of the gods who manipulate them, as the ancient Greeks expressed it in allegorical terms.

The same phenomenon of resistance was observed during the period of the Popular Front, a movement so feared by the conservative forces and whose success was then so profitable to them: the big bourgeoisie of the time, frozen in its positions, had not perceived the possibility and especially the new opportunities of such a change.

[Exnihiloest]

It is typically a lobbyist method: multiply the number of protest messages ...

Hilarious coming from the ecologists.
I translate :
"Do what I say, not what I do".

Listen to France-Info if you want to reassure yourself, it is the media of the environmental lobby. Whenever we are above seasonal norms, they report it. When you're below, never. Isn't that cool? No dissenter, only dogma, you should adore.

[Exnihiloest]

It is in fact obvious that the conservative anti-"ecological" transition position ...

It is to reverse the roles. Environmentalism is a reactionary movement. No longer wanting to take any technological risk, invoking future generations rather than talking about the motives of the present, brandishing the fear of the future with global warming, brandishing the fear of the future with pollution, all of this are the scars of a reactionary struggle of the timid afraid of the future, and who want to infect others.

[Ahmed]

... well, it is clear that you did not read or understand my sentence correctly. Notwithstanding this consideration, your answer can turn so easily into its opposite that it's not even worth it ...