Is Germany (already) using Plaquenil (Chloroquine) against Covid-19?

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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 04/05/20, 02:51

izentrop wrote:Not sure Bill had the right intuition this time ...


97% of people recovered without going to hospital.
Yes but for the remaining 3% the risk of death is present
So we come back to a recurring debate: there are those who try and win and there are those who try and die.
Currently IHU is at a death rate of 0.49%
So 2.51% of stuff, things, study objects are missing ... ah shit, these are human beings (sorry), as the other sang, "they were thousands they were twenty and a hundred"

Obviously he does not mention non-contagious patients that the IHU releases into the wild
In pre-deconfinement period it would be a mess

The Estrosi effect ...
"I don't blow my nose anymore, I'm fine"
The journalist: even if WITHOUT A DOUBT it would have been the same with doliprane ...
No doubt or ............ no doubt and the "step" is a bit like the step towards the beyond anyway: a trifle for the chronicler

All scientific studies: oh well there are plethora of scientific studies which have studied the protocol of the IHU ... quickly quickly the bibliography

He quotes Raoult
"Those who criticize me are not real Physicians»
And just after hop semantic shift (it reminds me of the decoding of Raoult's interview) ...... Researchers are not used to

18 clinical trials + a hundred in the world are in progress but WHICH with the SAME protocol as the IHU .... names quickly .... we are still waiting

We put back a layer "no study has been shown to be spectacular or encouraging"
Which one, with the SAME protocol as the IHU .... quick names .... we are still waiting
I refer you to the Mediapart article

Health alerts have been launched on the toxic risks of the IHU protocol
Who, QUIIIIIIIIIIIII tested the IHU protocol ???? names quickly ... we're still waiting

This pressure has long paralyzed health authorities
Are you talking about my eye, the HCQ was prohibited from prescription by decree from the outset on March 25 (I am not talking about its January classification)
Are you talking about paralyzing or AGAINST the IHU protocol ... yes

Fraudulent studies dixit the columnist who would suggest that the studies were bogus
And then hop a new shift in meaning ... in the second that follows, quoting the daily newspaper of the doctor who made an article on the legally borderline character of the treatment of IHU between clinical study and treatment of patients (to summarize).
Nothing therefore fraudulent in the studies.

The brave journalist continues on the call to order of the Council of the Order especially intended for Sabine (finally the poor to her son who published for her) and Moselle who were wrong to say that they had cured patients.
Member of Parliament Larem, who participates in the group of doctors, will no doubt also go there.
In summary, doctors are FORBIDDEN to treat patients with their soul and conscience.
A crazy thing which, by reversing the proposition would be: we knowingly leave 3% of positives with the risk of dying ... cool

But oh magic pirouette .... would the chronicler cover himself?
He suggests that Raoult (and his teams all the same, eh as if Panoramix worked alone, we think we are dreaming) could have had a lonely stroke of genius.
The weather is cloudy, we start to open the umbrellas
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 04/05/20, 03:00

pedrodelavega wrote:I prefer to remain cautious and follow the assumption that for the moment, the effectiveness of its remedy is not proven. It is being tested like a plethora of other remedies. As soon as a remedy proves its effectiveness, the scientific consensus will be broad and rapid because all, at the international level, are affected by this epidemic, doctors, researchers, laboratory workers, government officials as well as their parents, children, relatives.



Absolutely
Nothing proven

Just treatments given by doctors in their soul and conscience.
There are lots of others administered on earth and we don't make a mess of it ...

Let the doctors try to heal.
Researchers look for it.
Let's leave time to time

And meanwhile, by all means at our disposal (whatever the treatment), avoid positive patients at the moment T to see their condition worsen.
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by ABC2019 » 04/05/20, 07:16

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:97% of people recovered without going to hospital.
Yes but for the remaining 3% the risk of death is present
So we come back to a recurring debate: there are those who try and win and there are those who try and die.
Currently IHU is at a death rate of 0.49%
So 2.51% of stuff, things, study objects are missing ... ah shit, these are human beings (sorry), as the other sang, "they were thousands they were twenty and a hundred"

Precisely, human beings have the right that specialists give them correct statistics, and not rotten figures obtained from biased samples.
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 04/05/20, 11:17

ABC2019 wrote:
Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:97% of people recovered without going to hospital.
Yes but for the remaining 3% the risk of death is present
So we come back to a recurring debate: there are those who try and win and there are those who try and die.
Currently IHU is at a death rate of 0.49%
So 2.51% of stuff, things, study objects are missing ... ah shit, these are human beings (sorry), as the other sang, "they were thousands they were twenty and a hundred"

Precisely, human beings have the right that specialists give them correct statistics, and not rotten figures obtained from biased samples.


We don't care about steeple quarrels and treatment.


The real issues are the ban

1. the ban on doctors from practicing medicine since the start of the epidemic
2. the gradual shift towards the prohibition of being screened
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by GuyGadebois » 04/05/20, 19:09

Adrien (ex-nico239) wrote:1. the ban on doctors from practicing medicine since the start of the epidemic
2. the gradual shift towards the prohibition of being screened

Yes, but we are allowed to die. It's not that bad already. : Mrgreen:
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by ABC2019 » 04/05/20, 19:45

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by GuyGadebois » 04/05/20, 20:26

It's silly not to have posted it on "the idiots of the coronavirus", as an asshole we could not find better, Yvan! Image
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by izentrop » 05/05/20, 23:23

News of the trials of the association of hydroxychloroquine (Plaquénil °) with azithromycin (Zithromax ° or other) https://www.prescrire.org/fr/203/1845/5 ... tails.aspx
prescribe.org/Fr/203/1845/58635/0/PositionDetails.aspx

In short: no benefit, but side effects.
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by GuyGadebois » 05/05/20, 23:41

izentrop wrote:News of the trials of the association of hydroxychloroquine (Plaquénil °) with azithromycin (Zithromax ° or other) https://www.prescrire.org/fr/203/1845/5 ... tails.aspx
prescribe.org/Fr/203/1845/58635/0/PositionDetails.aspx

In short: no benefit, but side effects.

And presto, Izy brings us the American "study" of shit, carried out on veterans. It's warmed up my dear, it is null and void. As for the others, they do not mean anything convincing, in any case, in relation to YOUR judgment criteria (randomized, hair on the nose, double blind, hair on the bugle). : roll:
Ps: Your dung, it dates from April 16.
As for this "study" published on the site of Yale University sponsored by Gilead *, one has only to look at where the signatories come from ... almost 10 work for the Janssen Research & Development laboratories, of the Johnson & Johnson group ... Trusted people, upright in their boots. : Mrgreen:

* The link is in the text of the link posted by Izy
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20054551v1
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by izentrop » 06/05/20, 00:17

GuyGadebois wrote: it dates from April 16.
Probably because there is nothing new.
Since January 1981, the raison d'être of Prescrire has been to provide health professionals, and thanks to them, to patients, with the clear, synthetic and reliable information they need, in particular on drugs and diagnostic strategies. therapeutic. https://www.prescrire.org/Fr/12/32/0/0/About.aspx
"dung"? you may be confusing with compass or should you consult for cognitive impairment. : Wink:
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