vegetarian or vegan diet ecology and health

[Christophe]

Small summary article: http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2013/10/12 ... 78010.html

[hic]

tonight Tuesday 23/10 on France 5 at 20:40 p.m .:
The big bad milk!

The less milk we consume,
The more our Calcium needs decrease

1200mg of CA ...... WHO carnivores
600 700mg of vegetarian CA WHO
380mg of CA for an African ethnic group - 100% milk-free

[Aumicron]

The less milk we consume, the more our Calcium needs decrease

I think your statement is a bit misleading. It would be better to say:

The less we consume animal protein and more our calcium needs are decreasing.

[Janic]

aumicron hello
on the contrary, this seems very specific to dairy products which promote decalcification by the action of osteoclasts (osteoporosis) and therefore, in a vicious circle, the search for products rich in calcium of which milk is one of the main providers (for classic dietetics )

[Aumicron]

Janic, if you have a study that shows that, give us the link. For my part, I remain to the fact that it is the animal proteins as a whole which poses problem and it would be misleading to lower the consumption of milk and to increase that of meat to compensate!

It has been known since the 1960s that the dietary intake of proteins - and particularly animal proteins - increases the excretion of calcium in the urine. This is consistent with the observation made elsewhere that the prevalence of hip fractures is linked to animal protein intake, [15]. It has been found in a Japanese population that the excretion of calcium is significantly positively correlated with the dietary intake of animal proteins, but not with that of vegetable proteins. Conversely, reducing the intake of animal proteins decreases urinary calcium losses [

source: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium#Prot.C3.A9ines

[Janic]

good evening aumicron

janic, if you have a study that shows that, give us the link. For my part, I remain to the fact that it is the animal proteins as a whole which poses problem and it would be misleading to lower the consumption of milk and to increase that of meat to compensate!

one does not oppose the other. Dairy products (and even more processed and concentrated in cheeses) are important sources of protein. It is the baby's only food at the time of its fastest growth.
So it is true that lowering your consumption of dairy products and compensating with meat does not bring anything except diseases linked to overproteinization and mainly when growth is finished and physical activity reduced.

[Aumicron]

Exactly. In fact, compared to the remark of snag As for the need for calcium, it seemed important to me to point out that the priority was to reduce all animal protein and not to focus stupidly on dairy products.

[Janic]

in ie FRANCE 5, at the moment, Matthieu Ricard, Buddhist monk and doctor in cellular genetics, presents a book: "Plaidoyer pour les Animaux" to review!

[hic]

Exactly. In fact, compared to the remark of snag As for the need for calcium, it seemed important to me to point out that the priority was to reduce all animal protein and not to focus stupidly on dairy products.

Hi umicron

It seems that the assimilation of calcium is linked to the consumption of vegetables, more than to proteins.
To the benefit that doubts.

1200mg normally - according to WHO
600, 700mg for those who eat vegetables
and 400, 500mg for vegetarians, vegans.