Covid19 virus: the disinfectant mask by thermal viral inhibition (+ UVc?)?

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Re: Covid19 virus: the thermal disinfectant mask?




by Christophe » 04/04/20, 15:14

Christophe wrote:I post my analyzes as soon as I have compiled this in a spreadsheet!


Voila, I got a bit of a headache what I have left of neurons have heated a little .... : Cheesy:

But I managed to plot these coronavirus inhibition curves from the data in this table!


Whoever understands the legend at first reading will have all my respect! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:

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If we take the equations of the trend curves (blue curve):

- at 90 ° C a log reduction of 8,46 / min is obtained
- at 120 ° C a log reduction of 16,89 / min is obtained
- at 150 ° C a log reduction of 27,68 / min is obtained


I remind you that the ANSES considers that there is disinfection acceptable within 4 LOG scale from this document: health-pollution-prevention / virus-covid19-the-mask-thermal-disinfectant-t16392-10.html # p389306

A few seconds at 120 ° C should, following this approach, be sufficient to disinfect the air of the coronavirus!

If you want the spreadsheet I can share it too! It will help you understand the legend!
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by Christophe » 05/04/20, 08:08

I am amazed to have no reaction ...

To obtain the inhibition per second it is necessary to remove log from 60 or 1.778 log to the 3 digits calculated ...

- at 90 ° C a log reduction of 6,68 / second is obtained
- at 120 ° C a log reduction of 15,11 / second is obtained
- at 150 ° C a log reduction of 25,91 / second is obtained

A fraction of a second would therefore be sufficient to inhibit 4 log at 90 ° C ... and one fraction of an fraction at 120 ° C and one fraction of an fraction of an fraction at 150 ° C! : Mrgreen:

But it is better to take some security ... 2 to 3 seconds of heating to 120 ° C and that's it !! : Cheesy:
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by Macro » 05/04/20, 08:12

Yeah ... But hey ... We are already not able to buy a poor ffp2 ... So find the necessary to tinker something like that ...
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by Christophe » 05/04/20, 08:16

Well, a respirator manufacturer is moving to put some engineers on it !! : Shock: : Shock:

Well, I'm going to try a prototype ... What I miss is the heating resistance ...

Any idea where I could find one with such a low power in 12-15 V ???

I would like to leave on about 50W regulated in TOR ...
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by Macro » 05/04/20, 08:21

What do you want as resistance power?

Sorry I hadn't read everything ... Well it's very simple ... you make yourself a reheater wound with enamelled motor winding wire ... for 50 w ... the best would be to find 0.4mm ... I have 0.8 but we will have to do something with 40m of wire ... Note it increases the exchange area ...
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by Christophe » 05/04/20, 08:30

Hey Macro, is the corona going to your head? I just said it: 50W : Cheesy:

Haven't you read the calculations above? It takes 22W theoretically for an adult man ... So no security I take 50W with an all or nothing regu ...

Well it didn't take long to find it !!

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This one seems a little better finished but is not available on premium:
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Go on hop I order the last one which seems perfect for entering a 1 inch or 1 1/4 inch PVC pipe!

With a 5 to 10W UV tube for pools !!

A few pipes, a few pieces of PVC and mine FORTUNE: € 150 cost price, € 15 the sale price! What? Isn't that how we charge for medical equipment? : Mrgreen:
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by Christophe » 05/04/20, 08:40

Macro wrote:What do you want as resistance power?

Sorry I hadn't read everything ... Well it's very simple ... you make yourself a reheater wound with enamelled motor winding wire ... for 50 w ... the best would be to find 0.4mm ... I have 0.8 but we will have to do something with 40m of wire ... Note it increases the exchange area ...


Sorry too, I wrote my message when you edited yours ...

A little reminder of the formula please?

Because if I can go from 150 € to 130 € it will further boost my coef. ignoble commercial !! : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen: : Mrgreen:
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by Macro » 05/04/20, 08:45

You will never be able to heat air to 70 ° with a flow sufficient to make a person breathe with only 50W..To heat oil at the same temperature I had internal coil heaters immersed in more than 300W ... And with a cycling flow rate of 45L / hour plus 6lh additional for consumption .... it took 10 minutes to go up to 70 with a starting temperature of 15 ° ... And then stabilized ca heated 1/3 of the time ...
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by Christophe » 05/04/20, 08:49

Reread the calculations above ... because 50W is already greatly increased !!

4th message of the 1st page: health-pollution-prevention / virus-covid19-the-thermal-disinfectant-mask-t16392.html

We are on flow rates of 0,2 g of air per second Macro !! It's air, it's not oil and even less water!
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