Covid vaccination vs death in EHPAD. A real and rapid vaccine efficacy test on fragile people in nursing homes

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by izentrop » 16/01/21, 18:03

Christophe wrote:They would probably still be alive without the vaccine !!
or not : Mrgreen:
“It is possible that these common side effects, which are not dangerous in fitter, younger patients and are not unusual with vaccines, may worsen the underlying disease in the elderly,” Madsen said. "We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare events and they have occurred in very fragile patients with very serious illness," he said.

More than 20 doses of the vaccine have been administered in recent weeks in Norway and around 000 deaths normally occur among nursing home residents each week.
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by Obamot » 16/01/21, 20:45

And until then, still no way of knowing if you will be “vaccinated” (except to beat around the bush ...) What suspense! Image
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by Janic » 16/01/21, 21:03

Christophe wrote:
They would probably still be alive without the vaccine !!

or not : Mrgreen:
which obviously underlines that no one knows anything about it and that no one can recommend anything to each other.
The only thing certain is that no one knows what it will be like in the medium and long term! So it's Russian roulette. However, for the oldest people we will know nothing since they will be dead. the not too old begin to have health problems which will be confused with the side effects of the vaccine and the youngest free from pathologies have little risk of noticing anything. So vaccine-obsessed people are playing on velvet as usual, the cases of follow-up vaccines being considered as coincidences by the adjudicators and the parties. It's beautiful science!
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by sicetaitsimple » 16/01/21, 21:34

Janic wrote: which obviously underlines that no one knows anything about it and that no one can recommend anything to each other.
The only thing certain is that no one knows what it will be like in the medium and long term! So it's Russian roulette. However, for the oldest people we will know nothing since they will be dead. the not too old begin to have health problems which will be confused with the side effects of the vaccine and the youngest free from pathologies have little risk of noticing anything. So vaccine-obsessed people are playing on velvet as usual, the cases of follow-up vaccines being considered as coincidences by the adjudicators and the parties. It's beautiful science!


And if we do nothing (no vaccines), what happens? Can you recommend anything to yourself?
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by Obamot » 16/01/21, 21:45

But who told you that you shouldn't do anything? In any case, it is not Janic who spends part of his precious time there, and this well before the covid. So you say totally unworthy words here (for a change ...)
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by sicetaitsimple » 16/01/21, 21:53

Obamot wrote: In any case, it is not Janic who spends part of his precious time there, and this well before the covid. So you say totally unworthy words here (for a change ...)

Janic's precious time? : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Shock: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol: : Lol:

Are you kidding or what? He's no more precious than yours or mine ... No one is forcing him to intervene, no more than you and no more than me.
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by Obamot » 16/01/21, 22:04

Compared to yours, there is absolutely no doubt Image Image ... we let you play the biggest one?
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by ABC2019 » 16/01/21, 23:41

Obamot wrote:Compared to yours, there is absolutely no doubt Image Image ... we let you play the biggest one?

go go give us a single post where Janic gave an interesting information ...
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by Adrien (ex-nico239) » 17/01/21, 00:14

When we said that the Pfizer vaccine had not been sufficiently tested on the elderly to whom it is now administered as a priority and on a massive scale ... we passed for conspirators ...

We may eventually get there by trying to treat people as Raoult did in the EPHADs in Marseille

In the meantime, we will have to vaccinate the less old not fragile

Covid-19: Norwegian Medicines Agency links 13 deaths to vaccine side effects
According to the chief medical officer of the health authority, "the common side effects of mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have resulted in the death of some fragile patients."
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by Obamot » 17/01/21, 00:27

ABC2019 wrote:
Obamot wrote:Compared to yours, there is absolutely no doubt Image Image ... we let you play the biggest one?

go go give us a single post where Janic gave an interesting information ...

There are plenty of them, here one of the last messages in response to your incongruities:

Janic wrote:If people had a lifestyle more respectful of the physiology of their organism, there would be fewer victims and health organizations know this very well, but they do little or no information for the general public: no to respect the hedonism of the people, but to preserve a huge industrial sector and taxes that bring them a huge income.
On cigarette packets, since the State is no longer the main shareholder of SEITA, it has led an anti-tobacco campaign by inscribing tobacco kills on the packets with shocking images, and by strongly taxing this product, but nothing for alcohol while the mortality is similar. Two weights, two measures
for the same hedonism!

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