Covid vaccination vs death in EHPAD. A real and rapid vaccine efficacy test on fragile people in nursing homes

[Obamot]

Subject already debated, it is obvious that in a country with a very strong spread of the epidemic, some people will be vaccinated when they are already carrying the virus or that they will catch it before the vaccine produces its effects. . And indeed it is necessary to wait a fortnight after the second injection to judge the effectiveness. So patience, at least a few weeks, to judge the evolution of the situation in Israel, even if provisional results a priori positive are published.

... you are not going to tell us that we will have to wait several months before being fixed ...

- End of 2021 type 1
- With randomized “double blind and independent” studies paid and certified by the laboratories type 2
- Before autumn type 4
- The promise of efficiency ã> 90% holds and the virus disappears forever type 0

[sicetaitsimple]

You know how to read?
I wrote " it is necessary to wait a fortnight after the second injection to judge the effectiveness. So patience, at least a few weeks, to judge the evolution of the situation in Israel "

[Janic]

@obamot

But hey, maybe there will be hospitals that are not soaked in conflicts of interest up to their necks, there is little hope.

Unfortunately, hospitals are also caught in the mesh of the net, since BP dominates, through its products, all so-called health sectors and even if some doctors were not completely absorbed by the system, they would have no way out. , apart from resigning or retiring to become untouchable (like Professor Joyeux, persecuted even after his retirement!)
This is why we can compare this with the time of religious domination in France, which imposed on all, rich and poor, and even the powerful, to its dogmatism and beware of the refractory, these heretics in question. There's nothing new under the sun!

sicetaitsimple »14/01/21, 13:29

You know how to read?
I wrote "you have to wait a fortnight after the second injection to judge the effectiveness. So patience, at least a few weeks, to judge the evolution of the situation in Israel"

except that a few weeks cannot determine what will only translate into a few months, or even a few years later, and the time gap therefore makes it difficult to make the link between cause and late effect like cancers that have not studied for carcinogenesis.!

[ABC2019]

so basically, the studies are divided into two: those which are not reliable because they come from the system and are therefore all rotten, and those which come from anti-systems which are therefore necessarily good.

No need to study so ...

[Obamot]

What is frankly worrying is that you pretend you don't see that a lot of things are biased! But I answer you:
This is partially true and partially false at the same time. Partially true just what it takes for people to continue to believe in sufficient numbers (and maintain the belief in dogma), and partially false since of course, this is not to deny the merits of independent studies done in the rules and free from conflicts of interest, nor to denounce a corrupt system while having a biased attitude oneself, because this way one has false references and one no longer progresses oneself by being on the ground Slippery of Compromise: Isn't it ABC?

You know how to read?
I wrote " it is necessary to wait a fortnight after the second injection to judge the effectiveness. So patience, at least a few weeks, to judge the evolution of the situation in Israel "

So for you, the promise of 90% efficiency will hold and the virus will be gone forever. Noted!
See you in December (you see, I'm wide) since you say that a few weeks is enough ...

[sicetaitsimple]

So for you, the promise of 90% efficiency will hold and the virus will be gone forever. Noted!

You definitely don't know how to read .....

[Janic]

icetaitsimple »14/01/21, 13:29

You know how to read?
I wrote "you have to wait a fortnight after the second injection to judge the effectiveness. So patience, at least a few weeks, to judge the evolution of the situation in Israel"

Here again, there will be nothing convincing if, at the same time, there is a drastic application of the rules of hygiene, distancing and confinement. Our country has demonstrated this before vaccination and we find ourselves in the smallpox situation with its measures to isolate patients where vaccinations were held in check. However, the provaccines claim that it is thanks to the vaccine and their opponents that it was precisely due to this isolation.

[sicetaitsimple]

Here again, there will be nothing convincing if, at the same time, there is a drastic application of the rules of hygiene, distancing and confinement. Our country has demonstrated this before vaccination and we find ourselves in the smallpox situation with its measures to isolate patients where vaccinations were held in check. However, the provaccines claim that it is thanks to the vaccine and their opponents that it was precisely due to this isolation.

But yes, you are right!
Do you really think that Israel (or others, but it turns out that it is by far the most advanced country in terms of vaccination) is not able to calculate the number of new cases compared to those vaccinated d 'on the one hand and the number of new cases compared to unvaccinated people on the other hand? All other things being equal (confinement, distancing, ...)

[Janic]

But yes, you are right!

Obviously!

Do you really think that Israel (or others, but it turns out that it is by far the most advanced country in terms of vaccination) is not able to calculate the number of new cases compared to those vaccinated d 'on the one hand and the number of new cases compared to unvaccinated people on the other hand? All other things being equal (confinement, distancing, ...)

I don't think so, I see that there is always a bias when an institution, a profession, an individual sees a belief, any conviction being called into question and if the facts are the same for everyone, the way of putting them together and to interpret them differs, precisely, according to prior choices. And this is valid whatever the subjects discussed.
Afterwards, we'll see if the distinctions are well made and by whom?
Because this subject is precisely delicate and gives rise to various explanations, not concordant, since the beginning of the vaccine myth that is to say Jenner before Pasteur, which with the hard skin because there is, indeed, no other means (except treatment recognized effective) to reassure populations frightened and panicked by shit and its "scientists" entirely devoted to this myth.

[Christophe]

But yes, you are right!

Obviously!

I will note this one !!