Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found it like HIV AIDS?

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

We will see if the old vaccinated and positive cancer patients who died will be rated covid or cancer.

positive what kind of test do you mean?

With THC in saliva ...

[Christophe]

Obviously there were consequences to the 1st season of the ABC Test ... this morning janic goes crazy and here it is ABC's turn ..

[ABC2019]

Obviously there were consequences to the 1st season of the ABC Test ... this morning janic goes crazy and here it is ABC's turn ..

but not at all, I'm not going crazy, it's a serious question: are you talking about a positivity to PCR tests, antigenic tests, or serological tests? they do not give the same result and do not indicate the same thing!

[Christophe]

not the same result and do not indicate the same thing

Basically if they say the same thing! Otherwise source? Show us studies that prove that testing is nonsense (vla something else ...)

But you understood very well that we were talking about positivity for covid ... Regardless of the test method: we are talking about a virus present in the body ...

Sorry but your remark stinks of trollism!

[ABC2019]

not the same result and do not indicate the same thing

Basically if they say the same thing! Otherwise source? Show us studies that prove that testing is nonsense (vla something else ...)

well no, the PCR tests test the RNA of the virus (they can beep positive even if the virus is inactivated by the antibodies and there are only fragments left, -and they can also not beep if you have a variant which has mutated on a portion of RNA tested); antigen tests test for proteins of the virus, they report live viruses but are less sensitive, and serological tests indicate the presence of antibodies, therefore signal that you have been infected but not necessarily that you are sick (and they can be negative at the onset of the disease when you have no antibodies).

There are lots of articles that explain the difference to you, it's easy to find:

https://www.santemagazine.fr/sante/exam ... -ou-432724

But you understood very well that we were talking about positivity to covid ...

what I'm saying is that "covid positivity" depends on the test used, there are always situations where one of the tests can be positive and the other two negative.

In this case, the vaccinated people would be positive in the serological test but not in the PCR or antigen tests, especially if they target an RNA or a protein different from that which served as the basis for the vaccine. So I don't think they are counted as "covid victims". A person who would have had the covid and would have recovered, but would have died 6 months later of something else, they will also be positive on the serological test, but they will not be counted in the victims of the covid I think.

[Christophe]

We have already covered the question of testing, haven't we?

health-pollution-prevention / understanding-the-serological-test-covid-19-sars-cov2-t16502.html

And I repeat you are entering trollism because you have no other argument to make!

Besides, we still haven't answered "officially" to this question (your last paragraph partially answers it):

pollution-prevention-health / covid-vaccination-makes-positive-for-anti-covid-tests-t16686.html

So how do you differentiate a vaccinated death from an unvaccinated one with a serological test? It's impossible !! And here is the problem of managing the crisis which is happening to us in the dark and that NostraChris had once again sensed!

Since I guess the post mortem tests are serological ...

After there is the vaccination record me good ... seen how it risks to go nuts again ...

I'm laughing !!

[ABC2019]

We have already covered the question of testing, haven't we?

health-pollution-prevention / understanding-the-serological-test-covid-19-sars-cov2-t16502.html

And I repeat you are entering trollism because you have no other argument to make!

Besides, we still haven't answered "officially" to this question (your last paragraph partially answers it):

pollution-prevention-health / covid-vaccination-makes-positive-for-anti-covid-tests-t16686.html

So how do you differentiate a vaccinated death from an unvaccinated one with a serological test?

but it is not with a serological test that we decide that we have died of covid, it is a PCR test that says if we are sick (and a PCR test can very well distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated, if the RNA tested in the PCR is not that of the vaccine, it is very selective)?

[Christophe]

[it's a PCR test that says if you are sick (and a PCR test can very well distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated, if the RNA tested in the PCR is not that of the vaccine, it is very selective) ?

Is that so ? Are you sure it's just PCR?

So there is no post-mortem serological test (at all)?

[ABC2019]

[it's a PCR test that says if you are sick (and a PCR test can very well distinguish between vaccinated and unvaccinated, if the RNA tested in the PCR is not that of the vaccine, it is very selective) ?

Is that so ? Are you sure it's just PCR?

So there is no post-mortem serological test (at all)?

bah what is the interest? the serological test is to find out if you have developed antibodies without knowing it (asymptomatic case), but when you know that you have been ill and that you have been diagnosed, you do not need to do it you know that you were sick!

Also when you die from covid the clinical symptoms are pretty clear anyway, lung damage, cytokine storm .. once you identify it was covid there is no need for post mortem testing again.

After that does not answer the question of whether it was really the covid that killed you when you have mild folds like fever and cough symptoms and you die overnight. And it's not an easy question to answer, like with the flu. To estimate that we will rather base ourselves on the overall excess mortality, but here, of course, the vaccine is not supposed to cause visible excess mortality, or indeed there is really a problem.

[Christophe]

Yes that's the theory ... and in theory nothing prevents to do a post mortem serological test if?

In practice, there have been rumors that the dead were "outclassed" in death covid eh ... without any testing therefore!

In short, it's a total mess! But we already knew it!