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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Janic » 13/01/21, 10:00

On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
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as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.
No matter what, with a few% of the population vaccinated it will be possible to measure the effectiveness or not of the vaccines on these people in relation to those of the same profile, mainly age, who are not.
Almost impossible to do precisely since, willingly or under constraint, there will be no more "old" unvaccinated available. The one and only check of real effectiveness is to put the vaccinated in physical contact with the patients. contaminants to verify the result as has happened historically for all infectious diseases.
And for that we need a real follow-up of the vaccinated, by pharmacovigilance, which is impossible when they are counted in the millions.
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by sicetaitsimple » 13/01/21, 10:18

Janic wrote:Almost impossible to do precisely since, willingly or under constraint, there will be no more "old" unvaccinated available. The one and only check of real effectiveness is to put the vaccinated in physical contact with the patients. contaminants to verify the result as has happened historically for all infectious diseases.
And for that we need a real follow-up of the vaccinated, by pharmacovigilance, which is impossible when they are counted in the millions.


Is that so? Because you think that if a person is detected positively, the first question is not going to be whether they have been vaccinated or not?
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Obamot » 13/01/21, 10:53

And that's not enough for him, it's astonishing! In short... : Cheesy:
Janic wrote:
On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
Janic wrote:
as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.
No matter what, with a few% of the population vaccinated it will be possible to measure the effectiveness or not of the vaccines on these people in relation to those of the same profile, mainly age, who are not.
Almost impossible to do precisely since, willingly or under constraint, there will be no more "old" unvaccinated available. The one and only check of real effectiveness is to put the vaccinated in physical contact with the patients. contaminants to verify the result as has happened historically for all infectious diseases.
And for that we need a real follow-up of the vaccinated, by pharmacovigilance, which is impossible when they are counted in the millions.
Monitoring impossible since the French will not be able to choose the vaccine they want. And that there is no global vaccine plan. Does this mean that they do not care and do not themselves believe in the dangerousness of the virus? At the very least a mess and monster incompetence in fact. And even that, the “facebook experts” do not criticize him.

When a collective of 60 caregivers including 000 doctors told us that:
- hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin especially, are very good, and heal you of this dirt sometimes in 48 hours
- vaccinating against SARS-cov-2 is not the moment, that there are not significantly enough cases to justify it ...
- that the measures taken at the political level under the pretext of health are liberticidal
- etc ...



I think it goes very far, but on the other hand, does the world have to stop because people have not taken care of their lifestyle and found themselves at the end of the race with comorbidities? ? And that their behavior makes future generations take significant biological risks (and sometimes immediately with anaphylactic shocks in vaccinated doctors, sometimes with death) and since we will not know the consequences of what they call “vaccinations” before 1 century...?
The answer is complicated, but alas yes, since governments have been co-responsible for the marketing authorization of adulterated food for decades on the shelves. This is one of the very obvious causes of the problem that you know very well Janic. It has now been 1 year lost in prevention, for having favored “vaccination”!
The dear little ones can read English, but for French, it would be worth a crash course. Image
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Janic » 13/01/21, 12:55

Is that so? Because you think that if a person is detected positively, the first question is not going to be whether they have been vaccinated or not?
however, being positive is not the same as being sick, which has been widely verified in breeding. The only real question is rather due to the fact that this new type of "vaccine" does not have sufficient hindsight to know, in the medium and long term, the impact on populations vaccinated or not. It's Russian Roulette! : Cry:
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by ABC2019 » 13/01/21, 13:54

sicetaitsimple wrote:
Janic wrote:Almost impossible to do precisely since, willingly or under constraint, there will be no more "old" unvaccinated available. The one and only check of real effectiveness is to put the vaccinated in physical contact with the patients. contaminants to verify the result as has happened historically for all infectious diseases.
And for that we need a real follow-up of the vaccinated, by pharmacovigilance, which is impossible when they are counted in the millions.


Is that so? Because you think that if a person is detected positively, the first question is not going to be whether they have been vaccinated or not?

we will already be able to verify whether we have a high excess mortality due to the vaccine, since that due to covid does not exist according to some ...
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Christophe » 13/01/21, 13:55

Obamot wrote:- vaccinating against SARS-cov-2 is not the moment, that there are not significantly enough cases to justify it ...


Not enough cases? How many in the world? In EU? In France ?

But limit vaccination to the most vulnerable people, yes, it is also my idea of ​​the day for prove the actual efficacy of the vaccine : health-pollution-prevention / vaccine-covid-real-and-rapid-efficacy-test-on-fragile-people-ephad-retirement-homes-and-ems-t16709.html
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Obamot » 13/01/21, 15:40

It's not me who said it, and given the risk of intoxication because of an alibi for promoting open-grave vaccination campaigns ...
The current stats will have to be examined under a microscope since they do not explain the why of new sudden outbreaks!
Not easy, because on the contrary, the problem is not to be taken lightly since the Germans would be in it up to their necks!

Russia is embarking on a mass vaccination campaign, with a “real” vaccine.
https://francais.rt.com/international/82694-russie-poutine-decrete-vaccination-masse-covid-19
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Janic » 14/01/21, 10:05

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be nice when you use%, there are some who have trouble with that ...

For someone who doesn't understand that if the official statistics clearly show that the mortality from most infectious diseases had indeed decreased globally by 90% and more, before vaccines, it is really that you have a hard time with the numbers, effectively !

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But limiting vaccination to the most vulnerable people, yes, it is also my idea of ​​the day to prove the real effectiveness of the vaccine:
It is worth remembering that in the 70s and 80s it was not recommended to vaccinate fragile people whose general condition and whose immune system already deficient should not be over-solicited. Hence the residual discourse that the least fragile must be vaccinated to protect these populations. Why and for whom this recommendation was reversed: mystery!
Another contradictory mystery! It would be necessary that 60/70% of the population is "contaminated" to have a collective protection (either, let us recall the 30 to 40% not "immunized" (sic) and moreover it would be necessary that 90/95% of the population be vaccinated to protect the most vulnerable: There's nothing wrong!
Finally, how are they going to cope with the package of vaccines of all kinds hitting the (lucrative) market around the world?
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Christophe » 17/01/21, 13:23

There I cry more but I piss with laughter !!

The world has entered the world of the big plot !! Really ?

This stolen data, then released on the Dark Web, shows the pressure the agency was facing to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine as quickly as possible.

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by ABC2019 » 17/01/21, 13:36

Christophe wrote:There I cry more but I piss with laughter !!

The world has entered the world of the big plot !! Really ?

This stolen data, then released on the Dark Web, shows the pressure the agency was facing to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine as quickly as possible.

frankly I don't see how surprising or scandalous it is to try to speed up the authorization procedures as quickly as possible to save millions of lives.

Everyone knows very well that there is a conflict in principle between the precautions to be taken and the speed of the process, everyone plays their part, and a compromise is found, it's a normal process, isn't it?
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