Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found it like HIV AIDS?

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Christophe » 12/01/21, 19:01

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Obamot » 12/01/21, 19:03

sicetaitsimple wrote:Are you serious???
You still do not hope to see the results of a vaccination campaign that started a month ago
Every half point in the R = 0 counts, and I call it gene therapy, so good considerations for the dumpster.

sicetaitsimple wrote: It will take a few weeks to see the immediate effect (or not) of the risk of catching this shit for vaccinated people and months to see (or not) the collective effect. [...] " Me I " blah-blah-blah

Ah, suddenly you find it legitimate to wait months to see clearly. What a staggering reversal of the jacket Image Image
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Christophe » 12/01/21, 19:05

It is not false obamot! : Cheesy:
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by sicetaitsimple » 12/01/21, 19:21

Obamot wrote:Ah, suddenly you find it legitimate to wait months to see clearly. What a staggering reversal of the jacket


What is he saying, the XXXXX who claims that the death curve in Germany is flat?
I say that you have to wait months to see the effects of even a massive vaccination. In a month, the Great Britons would have vaccinated about 4% of their population if I believe today's figures, which is already a lot. In 6 months at this rate, that would be around 25%.
This is not enough to expect a significant effect from collective immunity in the short term.
On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Janic » 12/01/21, 19:37

On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by Janic » 12/01/21, 19:38

On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by ENERC » 12/01/21, 19:49

sicetaitsimple wrote:I say that you have to wait months to see the effects of even a massive vaccination.

The formula is 1 - (1 / R0) * eff

With an R0 of 1,1 as currently and an efficiency of 90%, that gives 18%. With 18% of vaccinated / immunized, the effective R would increase to 1. In fact we already have 10% of people who have had it, so the calculation is a little more complicated.

By aiming for an R close to 1, the vaccine will gradually relax the restrictive measures. But it is sure that we will wear masks at least until the summer if all goes well.
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by sicetaitsimple » 12/01/21, 20:11

Janic wrote:
On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.


No matter what, with a few% of the population vaccinated it will be possible to measure the effectiveness or not of the vaccines on these people in relation to those of the same profile, mainly age, who are not.
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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by sicetaitsimple » 12/01/21, 20:30

sicetaitsimple wrote:
Obamot wrote:Ah, suddenly you find it legitimate to wait months to see clearly. What a staggering reversal of the jacket


What is he saying, the XXXXX who claims that the death curve in Germany is flat?
I say that you have to wait months to see the effects of even a massive vaccination. In a month, the Great Britons would have vaccinated about 4% of their population if I believe today's figures, which is already a lot. In 6 months at this rate, that would be around 25%.
This is not enough to expect a significant effect from collective immunity in the short term.
On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.

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Ah, whoever claims that the daily death curve in Germany is flat is not a clown?
Bah Remundo, tell me how to qualify it, then?
If there is a list of suitable terms, I am ready to use it, but it will have to apply to everyone ....

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Re: Covid-19 vaccine: what if we never found one like HIV AIDS?

by ABC2019 » 12/01/21, 20:45

sicetaitsimple wrote:
Janic wrote:
On the other hand, we will have more precise data on the individual effectiveness of vaccines on people vaccinated compared to those who are not.
as long as we find ourselves with a total and equivalent number of people vaccinated or not, which got off to a bad start with the anxiety-provoking policy that was made with the elderly populations and where there will be hardly any unvaccinated people left.


No matter what, with a few% of the population vaccinated it will be possible to measure the effectiveness or not of the vaccines on these people in relation to those of the same profile, mainly age, who are not.


be nice when you use%, there are some who have trouble with that ... : roll:
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