Opinions about Covid vaccines, immunity, side effects and immunology

How to stay healthy and prevent risks and consequences on your health and public health. occupational disease, industrial risks (asbestos, air pollution, electromagnetic waves ...), company risk (workplace stress, overuse of drugs ...) and individual (tobacco, alcohol ...).
Robob
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 900
Registration: 12/04/13, 14:28
x 1235

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Robob » 03/03/23, 11:57

izentrop wrote:
robob wrote:I had pity, I didn't give you the blue curve. : Cheesy:
Even with pipeaux studies, biased everywhere, they do not arrive there: it is to say.
You're still fooling around by not reading the caption that talks about rare serious cases of severe infections.

For the general cases these are the curves below. Image
https://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/ ... pendix.pdf

The 2 curves are imbittable and uninteresting (mathematical approximation model) but at least you downloaded the study rather than swallowing Molimard.

The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods, but the same population, is biased:
- period 1 June/July/August 2022, BA variant, period 2 Sept/Oct/Nov BA BF BQ variants.
- period 2, all the fragile people who died in period 1 are no longer there and those hospitalized in 1 should be immunized in 2: the population is necessarily less fragile.
- the new variants are less virulent than the previous ones.

numbers :
table S2, for the 65+ (the others we don't care) period 1 (monovalent) on 1.6 M only 130 k boosted, on period 2 (bivalent) on 1.2 M more than 500 k boosted!
We must at least wonder about this difference: at the beginning of autumn all the old people are vaccinated, but who can get a "Booster" in July? Image
Let's take the completely extravagant hypothesis, huh, that only the most fragile get boosted in the spring...
3 x
izentrop
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 13644
Registration: 17/03/14, 23:42
Location: picardie
x 1502
Contact :

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by izentrop » 03/03/23, 12:28

robob wrote:The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods...
Honestly, you should introduce yourself as a peer review expert on vaccine studies.
You have every chance, but you are wrong, this is not the place to post your enlightened remarks of the ball https://www.tandfonline.com/journals/ierv20

Ask Pf Molimard, he will be able to advise you : Wink:
0 x
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28725
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5538

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Obamot » 03/03/23, 13:30

izentrop wrote:
robob wrote:The simple fact of comparing the effectiveness of two different vaccines over two different periods...
this is not the place to post your insightful remarks from the ball

And yours are based on what scientific/medical training?
TDC that farts higher than its Qi
0 x
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79117
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 10972

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Christophe » 04/03/23, 00:23

Newsweek is estremdrouate?

1 x
izentrop
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 13644
Registration: 17/03/14, 23:42
Location: picardie
x 1502
Contact :

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by izentrop » 04/03/23, 01:12

Christophe wrote:Newsweek is estremdrouate?
Republicans are unfortunately capable of making decisions on "fake news" and Di Borgo he likes it : Twisted:

Here is one more proof against this kind of imbecility...
Large-scale meta-analysis finds SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent 95,4% of serious covid infections/hospitalizations. Results are lower for mild infection with a combined efficacy of 44,5%.

Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.
0 x
User avatar
Obamot
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 28725
Registration: 22/08/09, 22:38
Location: regio genevesis
x 5538

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Obamot » 04/03/23, 02:31

Janic wrote:02/03/23, 21:00
robob wrote:I had pity, I didn't give you the blue curve. : Cheesy:
Even with pipeaux studies, biased everywhere, they do not arrive there: it is to say.

izentrop wrote:You're still fooling around not reading the caption
Except that the idiot is you letting yourself be fooled by the propaganda
If we could still correct the text, I would write "hibernate" : Mrgreen:
0 x
Janic
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 19224
Registration: 29/10/10, 13:27
Location: bourgogne
x 3491

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Janic » 04/03/23, 08:16

izmentrop
Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.
it wouldn't be new since statistically and officially they NEVER worked. Or bring us the proof.
0 x
"We make science with facts, like making a house with stones: but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a pile of stones is a house" Henri Poincaré
Robob
Grand Econologue
Grand Econologue
posts: 900
Registration: 12/04/13, 14:28
x 1235

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Robob » 04/03/23, 15:21

izentrop wrote:
Christophe wrote:Newsweek is estremdrouate?
Republicans are unfortunately capable of making decisions on "fake news" and Di Borgo he likes it : Twisted:

Here is one more proof against this kind of imbecility...
Large-scale meta-analysis finds SARS-CoV-2 vaccines prevent 95,4% of serious covid infections/hospitalizations. Results are lower for mild infection with a combined efficacy of 44,5%.

Next time someone tells you that “vaccines” don't work.


If the vaccine against covid prevented even 50% of hospitalizations, it would be noticed at a glance at the hospital statistics in all the vaccinated countries, by an inflection of the curves of hospitalizations during and after the vaccination period. There would also be a drop in all-cause mortality given the "millions" of deaths due to covid and subsequently avoided: unfortunately, there is excess mortality everywhere in these same countries.

So 95.4% is a really bad troll: no one takes you seriously here anymore. I even think that you yourself know perfectly well that you're talking nonsense.

If I always answer your trolls, it's only so that potential readers of this subject who still have questions can get an idea.
4 x
Christophe
Moderator
Moderator
posts: 79117
Registration: 10/02/03, 14:06
Location: Greenhouse planet
x 10972

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by Christophe » 04/03/23, 15:52

robob wrote:by an inflection of the curves


Exactly, it is the famous mythical (or mystical or mythological?) statistical inflection point that I've been asking siegvax for 18 months!

Never had a response!

Well then !
0 x
izentrop
Econologue expert
Econologue expert
posts: 13644
Registration: 17/03/14, 23:42
Location: picardie
x 1502
Contact :

Re: Opinions on Covid Vaccines, Immunity, Side Effects and Immunology




by izentrop » 04/03/23, 22:04

robob wrote:If the covid vaccine prevented even 50% of hospitalizations...
In raw numbers as usual.
You should analyze the study, but intelligently this time : Lol:
0 x

 


  • Similar topics
    Replies
    views
    Last message

Back to "Health and Prevention. Pollution, causes and effects of environmental risks "

Who is online ?

Users browsing this forum : Majestic-12 [Bot] and 272 guests