Coronaviruses survive in drinking water for more than 100 days ...

[Christophe]

I have not read the study ... I think that is what should be done rather than trusting the analysis of the journalists ...

As far as I understood (from the journalist): it's a PCR test and only one date came back positive ...

The reliability of PCR tests is doubtful ... So I am inclined to a false positive.

After yes, he / she should have done a second analysis with the positive sample.

Anyway, read the paper!

[Obamot]

Good bein it's all seen

MADRID

Coronavirus detected in olds samples wastewater. The coronavirus was already in Spain a year before the pandemic "officially" broke out, according to a University of Barcelona (UB) study, which detected SARS-CoV-2 in of samples of wastewater collected in the Catalan capital on March 12, 2019. The UB research result would prove that COVID-19 circulated in Spain well before being "officially" detected and recorded, according to university sources. (Euroefe)
https://www.euractiv.fr/section/all/news/un-an-avant-le-debut-de-la-pandemie-le-covid-19-circulait-deja-en-espagne/

Do you see guys at a university announcing something like that without being too sure?
Frankly I do not see, the guys have necessarily done SEVERAL tests, to check, it is written in the plural.

We must therefore look everywhere for the trace of the ancestor of this virus and compare with the phylogenetic tree.

[Christophe]

Frankly I do not see, the guys have necessarily done SEVERAL tests, to check, it is written in the plural.

We must therefore look everywhere for the trace of the ancestor of this virus and compare with the phylogenetic tree.

What if you did the publication rather than the press releases (all copied / pasted from each other ...)?

I had however put the link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20129627v1

[Obamot]

Frankly I do not see, the guys have necessarily done SEVERAL tests, to check, it is written in the plural.

We must therefore look everywhere for the trace of the ancestor of this virus and compare with the phylogenetic tree.

What if you did the publication rather than the press releases (all copied / pasted from each other ...)?

I had however put the link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20129627v1

I read, it is marked:

conclusions
A significant proportion of undiagnosed and asymptomatic carriers rejected SARS-CoV-2 in the stool. Wastewater epidemiology is an early warning tool for the circulation of the virus in the population, including symptomatic and asymptomatic expellers.

The first sentence proves that those who say that it would not be valid since there were no cases reported in hospitals are wrong (excess mortality) since they specify that for them, it would be asymptomatic cases. ..

[Christophe]

Yes ... as if the virus, already present but harmless, had been "activated" in November in China and elsewhere after?

Already that the EU, USA and Chinese strains are not the same ...

I predict a remote activation with 5G maybe?

[Obamot]

I can't help it ... It's science !!!

[Obamot]

I have no crystal ball.

I have already suggested it modestly, to solve this mystery 1) you have to have the idea that a virus mutates and can suddenly acquire a slightly more “knocked” form (“we see that every yearSaid Dr. Michel Cymes). 2) have the virus in good enough condition to sequence it 3) compare it with the first sequencing of the known virus, then correlations with the known phylogenetic tree. We're not there yet.
Its presence (or not) can be a referral, either an indication in one direction (track error) or in another (we start from scratch).
It eventually allows you to say: that it may be necessary to continue to look for clues in weakened and deceased people according to the diagnosis of “flu” (with possible pulmonary complications ....), February, March, April in Barcelona. . And according to x-rays of the lungs (and other / s index / s in the diagnostic table) to make a post-mortem analysis to discover what virus it could be ... if we find kekchoz ...

I'm definitely not the guy who resonates with fallacies like ALL THE TROLLS on this forum, and saying to himself:
- “Ah! If America told us that the virus would be Chinese [...] IT IS SO GOOD THAT ... [...] (blah-blah + blah ...) ”

And to repeat it here ad nausea to the point of rejecting any other hypothesis (suggesting to us hereby wrongly: that being a “scientist” would be wearing blinkers!)We are here on a forum to have the freedom to think damn it!

You have to get out of your “comfort zone” guys!

[Christophe]

I can't help it ... It's science !!!

Uh I laughed huh!

[Obamot]

Uh I laughed huh!

At all, your joke was fully justified. It could not be the same virus but possibly one of these ancestors in terms of mutations. Otherwise he would have started his pandemic in Barcelona. This is how I understood it.

In fact you would innovate: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viroth%C3%A9rapie treatment activated by the remote doctor by releasing nano virus capsules at a “T” moment ...?

[Christophe]

No you cannot conclude that it started in Barcelona: a large number of cities in the world should do the same tests ...

Do you freeze 18-month wastewater samples in France? I have no idea !!

Speaking of mutation, H1N1 could come back !! See this night's info: health-pollution-prevention / mutation-du-h1n1-les-specialists-prudent-t8804.html