Pandemic Coronavirus COVID-19: maps, statistics, analyzes and day-to-day information

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

France Soir has been sounding the alarm for several days ...

I know some who will swallow wrong: France Soir?

Covid-19: the tide is still rising in hospitals, contaminations are spreading

And they are right because tonight for the first time since deconfinement the case fatality rate increases, it goes from 0.68 to 0.72

[pedrodelavega]

Curious that with a contagiousness greater than that of ebola and with "a few" deaths, we did not accept, as for ebola, to administer treatments without previous proof of their superiority and without a placebo group history of seeing ...

Because the lethality of covid is bcp lower than that of ebola and because they may have learned from past experiences:
http://videos.senat.fr/video.1746383_5f ... e=15166503
(at 18:59)

That's what I'm saying.

We let things be tested without previous proof ... etc and we were right.

In the video, she explains precisely that they were wrong.
Even with a lethal disease in 50% of the cases, it was a mistake.

The PRINCIPLE in my opinion in this type of case involving millions of deaths is that you always have to try it.

It does not say that you should not give it a go but try it with a "control" in order to be able to determine if there really is an effect and not to go unnecessarily wrong.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

Because the lethality of covid is bcp lower than that of ebola and because they may have learned from past experiences:
http://videos.senat.fr/video.1746383_5f ... e=15166503
(at 18:59)

That's what I'm saying.

We let things be tested without previous proof ... etc and we were right.

In the video, she explains precisely that they were wrong.
Even with a lethal disease in 50% of the cases, it was a mistake.

The PRINCIPLE in my opinion in this type of case involving millions of deaths is that you always have to try it.

It does not say that you should not give it a go but try it with a "control" in order to be able to determine if there really is an effect and not to go unnecessarily wrong.

I absolutely do not agree

[pedrodelavega]

there is AT LEAST a good 30% of the cases which were declared covid without it being, by some doctors,

Source? Please

[Obamot]

I think that the R does not (or not only) depend on the number of cases at time T.
You can have a very high R at the start of an epidemic with few cases at time T and later an R which drops but with a lot of cases in progress.
For example: 1 million active cases with an R of 0.6 is more reassuring than 100 cases with R of 000

Source?

[pedrodelavega]

I think that the R does not (or not only) depend on the number of cases at time T.
You can have a very high R at the start of an epidemic with few cases at time T and later an R which drops but with a lot of cases in progress.
For example: 1 million active cases with an R of 0.6 is more reassuring than 100 cases with R of 000

Source?

There is no source it is "I think .....".

there is AT LEAST a good 30% of the cases which were declared covid without it being, by some doctors,

Source? Please

[Christophe]

How can the R be so high in July August when the cases detected were very low ?????

I think that the R does not (or not only) depend on the number of cases at time T.
You can have a very high R at the start of an epidemic with few cases at time T and later an R which drops but with a lot of cases in progress.
For example: 1 million active cases with an R of 0.6 is more reassuring than 100 cases with R of 000

Indeed it is better to have an R of 10 for a population of 10 patients than an R of 2 with a population of 100 patients ...

But still believe that the R curve that you posted before is bogus especially the fall in September ... you did not quote the source ...

[Obamot]

Partial re-containment:
- in Germany, in the Bavarian Alps;
- in Spain in the region of Navarre;
- Ireland and Wales are re-defined for 6 weeks.
- in Romania schools are closing again;
- the Czech Republic must urgently increase its hospital capacity;
- Poland requisitions stadiums to improvise makeshift hospitals;
- in Serbia idem, requisitioned stadiums;
- Austria tightens measures;
- Switzerland tightens measures (by canton)

Curfew:
- in France;
- in Lombardy, the initial epicenter (group immunity does not seem to have worked, cases are skyrocketing);
- in Belgium bars and restaurants have been closed, hospitalizations have doubled in 1 week;

Source: RTS- https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ ... o:11692548

Something serious is happening and it is now. The measures are too soft in the face of the overall situation in the EU
That changed, as long as the hospital services saw overload coming. It is concrete.

It is at this moment that we should not skimp to avoid a surge of lethality ...! But with discipline and without panicking.

[Adrien (ex-nico239)]

We confined (and deconfined) for nothing then?
Should stay confined for a year?
This story can go on for a long time since when we deconfine it starts again

[izentrop]

But still believe that the R curve that you posted before is bogus especially the fall in September ... you did not quote the source ...

This was probably the average effective R.
We understand better with the one by region https://covidtracker.fr/covidtracker-fr ... esc_1222_2
Explanation https://covidtracker.fr/actualisation-d ... -controle/