Pandemic Coronavirus COVID-19: maps, statistics, analyzes and day-to-day information

[sicetaitsimple]

Surprising! The United Kingdom has just changed the way it records deaths linked to Covid19. Basically, beyond 28 days after a first positive test, if we die, it is no longer from Covid.
The result is that the number of Covid deaths since the start has dropped "mechanically" by more than 5000 yesterday (from 46706 to 41329).

I admit not knowing if there are similar conventions elsewhere, especially in France.

Ah ah ah!
Sarko had done a similar scheming at the time on the road safety deaths ...

Okay, I said "surprising", but basically I don't know what to think ... People who would die after two months because they were already weak but who were even more weakened by the Covid ( while eliminating it), did they die of the Covid or their initial ailment? I don't know if it really matters whether they are counted or not in the "Covid" category .... For them, certainly not ...

On the other hand my question was rather to know if this type of "convention" To + X days was practiced in other countries?

[Christophe]

[izentrop]

Graphics and maps (not all up to date) on the evolution and risks of the coronavirus in France and around the world, even in 3 D
https://www.qualitiso.com/coronavirus-a ... _en_France

An example: The reproduction rate seems to be declining again on August 9

[izentrop]

The curve of that of https://covidtracker.fr/covidtracker-france/ seems more developed and continues to climb.

The alert seems to be escalating https://www.estrepublicain.fr/sante/202 ... ieme-vague

For Professor Christian Rabaud, infectious disease specialist at the Nancy CHRU, all the indicators at the national level show that Sars-Cov2 is circulating more extensively today. If there is no need to do catastrophism, it is imperative to break the curve immediately, he argues. With a weapon: the mask.

Public Health France gives us an R0 of 1,32. It is not much since we were at 2,30 in February. But it is too much. And this is where the intervention of Jean Castex, saying we must give ourselves the means, in the field of prevention, to break the curve, seems to me justified, knowing that we have no effective treatment, no vaccine beyond the scoop [Editor's note: announcement of the development of a vaccine by Russia] that we are looking at for the moment with as much caution as we have been able to look at the statements on hydroxychloroquine at the beginning. Today, prevention is clearly the mask, the only weapon we have and which must be used by everyone, including young people.

[Obamot]

By comparison, in the preventable causes of death in France:

Cancers ...:> 150 deaths per year (000%)
Cardio-
vascular:> 140 deaths per year (000%)
Drugs... :
Smoking:> 75 deaths per year (000%)
Obesity ....:> 55 deaths (000%)
Alcoholism:> 49 deaths (000%)
Diabetes ...:> 32 deaths (000%)
Covid-19 ..:> 30 deaths (three quarters of which could have been avoided)
Flu .....:> 8 deaths (000%)
Low dose irradiation: (1,3%)

We do not see you invest yourself as much for the other 97% of the causes of death ...?

[sicetaitsimple]

No, as already explained here pollution-prevention-health / pollution-deaths-t1901-80.html
there is confusion between "cause of death" and "risk factor"

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[i] by sicetaitsimple »01/07/20, 10:58 PM

Christophe wrote:
Yes bin this table seems very incomplete ... see oriented?
Where does old age appear?
See my penultimate message ...


I think you confuse "cause of death" (eg cancer) and "risk factor" (eg tobacco) when you talk about malnutrition or junk food.
You do not die of "old age" even if you are 100 years old, you die of a "medical" cause such as cardiac arrest.
An article (with figures) that I found very educational:

https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death

[Obamot]

I think, rightly, that your comment is very relevant. Please draw attention to this differentiation. I had thought about it, I had to check, modify the figures for this reason, it exceeded 100% I explain it as follows (because almost everything is multifactorial): 1) don't you think that risk factors and causes can be confused? (Alcoholism, smoking, junk food / obesity) 2) the table in the other thread concerned “the world” (here, France) 3) my goal was to give an order of magnitude in relation to covid-19, hence a certain juggling 4) if I correct and talk about the CAUSES, everything was falsely classified as such in Wikipedia (source of figures unless otherwise stated) but in the end, I did not do too badly (excluding the obesity and low dose irradiation)

Revised figures with ad hoc mention:
Cancers ...:> 150 deaths per year (000% of the causes of mortality, figures after 30)
Cardio-vasc:> 140 deaths per year (000% of causes, 2006 figures) source Wikipedia
Smoking:> 75 deaths per year (000% of causes, figures 13 Libé) risk factor / s AND cause of death
Obesity ....:> 55 deaths (000% 10 figures) source Wikipedia clearly risk factor / s but classified as 'cause' by wiki *
Alcoholism:> 41 deaths (000% of causes, 9 figures) wiki - risk factor / s AND cause of death
Diabetes ...:> 32 deaths (000% of causes) wiki
Covid-19 ..:> 30 deaths (three quarters of which could have been avoided)
Flu .....:> 8 deaths (000% of causes) wiki
Low dose irradiation: (1,3% off topic)

In fact my “deception” comes from the fact that I have deliberately put the comorbidities / degenerative diseases on the same level as the (more or less) deliberate risks (smoking / drinking) since poor nutrition also depends (more or less, and not only in my opinion) of a deliberate will. We all know that eating too much fat = cardiovascular problems, too much sugar = diabetes, too much devitalized and unbalanced = cancer (as well as drinking and smoking) etc. In the end, if we quibble, everything is “a bit false” in my reasoning since comorbidities must be found in many deaths from covid-19 but the goal was to give a comparative scale, in the sense that we spend a lot too much time to talk about covid-19 when the real causes are upstream. So your question was precisely the purpose of my post ... Crazy, I think this is the first time that we both talk seriously ?!

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* to see why, how and by how much were they able to establish this figure? !!

[sicetaitsimple]

Blah, blah, blah .....
But it is true that before handling this kind of figures, you must have the "power of reflection" (certainly extraordinary?) Allowing you to realize that you only die once, and not four times if you are obese. , smoker, diabetic and cancer patient. Obviously this is not given to everyone ......

[Obamot]

No blah-blah at all! - Your remark before was relevant, once is not custom ... There you mess (Christophe too ...)

No confusion on my part, it wasn't cumulative https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortalit% ... alit%C3%A9

obesity: has a direct mortality which increases as soon as the body mass index exceeds a certain threshold = decrease in life expectancy. WHO has classified obesity as a chronic disease. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ob%C3%A9sit%C3%A9
Smoking no need to comment “acute or chronic poisoning of a physiological and psychological nature caused by tobacco abuse" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabagisme
Alcoholism = 'mental disorder and behavioral disorder (s) related to frequent alcohol ingestion, 23 direct deaths. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoolism ... alit%C3%A9

Are not to be considered only as risk factors / s but are indeed causes of mortality and classified as diseases

Mortality: (source: Larousse)
Quantity of living beings who die from the same disease.
Phenomenon of death, considered from the point of view of numbers: Infant mortality.
Ratio between the number of deaths and the average size of the population in a given place and during a given period.

If you're right about the relevance of the argument, that doesn't mean that suggesting a risk factor, mortality would be non-existent. Where are you there? Are you looking for lice in the straw or even the good old sophisms ...? My figures are all correct with regard to the mortality inherent in these pathologies. And the hierarchy of mortalities is held, no accumulation, sorry.

You are the one who confuses occasional drinking with friends, occasionally accepting to smoke one because you are offered a cigarette (yes, “risk factor / s” if it is repeated too often) with smoking and alcoholism which are diseases.

Regarding the REAL CAUSE and the treatment of the REAL CAUSES of pathologies, I am waiting for you firmly.
(In another thread.)

[sicetaitsimple]

with smoking and alcoholism which are diseases.

It is your additions that are wrong.

To take these two examples, we do not die directly from smoking, and we die very infrequently from alcoholism, except in cases of severe intoxication leading to an ethyl coma which can be fatal (an overdose).
On the other hand, I am not going to deny that these two indeed sickly addictions are at the origin of the development of diseases which can be fatal, that would of course be completely stupid.
But that's not going to add up x000 cases of lung cancer deaths to x000 cases of smoking deaths, which you are doing.