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Closed smoking centers (Tobacco, Health and Anti-smoking)




by the middle » 18/06/11, 09:30

Hello,
Cigarette manufacturers have worked hard to have as many customers as possible for life .... or death ...
Some smokers get out of their addiction, others also when they die.Others do not arrive and wait for the inevitable and atrocious death; that's my case.
I do not have cancer yet, but many signs warn me it's time to stop.
And I can not do it.
So, I have just written a letter to the French-speaking association of graduate students in tobacco in Belgium.
Here are its contents:
Hello,
The title says it all, but I want to explain some things to you.
There are "closed" centers for alcoholics, for drug addicts, but for smokers. (simply because they kill others)
I tried everything to stop smoking, sometimes almost successfully.
The causes of my defeat are the pain, and the nervousness that falls on my surroundings.
You all know that a smoker is a big drug addict (strong drug).
For two years, my lungs cry for help!
My wife begs me to stop, and every time, I answer that I prefer to die than to be infernal with her, and my entourage at work.
For me, a closed center must include hot-water baths, reflexologists, doctors, yogas, masseurs, physiotherapists, games such as ping-pong, handball, psychologists, hypno therapists,
You know very well that this kind of center will bear these fruits, and I am sure that many patients would be willing to pay a lot out of pocket to go to such a center.
I am not alone in making this request.
So, if you are convinced that such a center would be of public utility, move on, go see the Minister of Health, or whoever you think is useful to this cause.
It's not fun to commit suicide against your will.

Now, go ahead, slaughter me, say that I am the only one guilty, and that I have no courage ....
It's so simple to no longer buy this package of poison.
A small edition to add this: a person who commits suicide against his will, this is called a murder (premeditated in this case)
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by elephant » 18/06/11, 10:11

Courage, the right, strategies exist.

my wife did it (me, I do not smoke) and we came up with some important points:

- the withdrawal of nicotine

- find something that makes you happy instead (excluding food and alcohol, of course)

- the motivation (the money: a package / day, it's even 1200 euros / year), the arrival of a child, health ... sexual performance, what do I know yet?

She succeeded with the following technique:

it first switched to cigarettes with minimum nicotine levels, without reducing the number of cigarettes / day

during the holidays, she used a set of 4 "diluent" filters: the 1st allows 1/4 air to pass, the 2nd, 2/4, etc ...

the cure lasts 4 X 7 days.

At the 26 day, smoking did not interest him anymore: it was 1982.

There are other techniques and specialized doctors.

In New Zealand, in prisons, they try carrot sticks.

Good luck ! :D
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by Christophe » 18/06/11, 10:25

We are not here to judge you!

Good initiative, such centers exist for drug addicts (and alcoholics), it should not be very difficult to apply to smokers ...

In any case, tobacco and alcohol are drugs. Alcohol can even be considered a hard drug depending on the definition and case studies ...

Otherwise I think that the tobacco, moderate dose is not so bad: I have always seen / read / heard that the body could absorb erase a dose of 5 cigs per day ... In other words: starting from this Assuming there are almost no medical differences between a smoker at 5 cigs a day and a non smoker! The non-smoker will probably have some better ventilation performance when playing sports but no impact on their health in the long run.

I recently saw a good documentary on centenarians (Le mystère des centenaire) well several (men and women) had smoked a lot in their life, a 102 year old man (with more beautiful and smoother skin than most men age 75 that I saw !! There's no denying it, we don't all have the same telomeres!) claimed to have smoked until over 80. He was a former Atlantic shipyard worker, so you can't say he had a physically "restful" professional life ....

Well it's not the debate but I wanted to pass the info!

And as you say, I join you at 200%: chronic stress spoils life (rot, morale and day of life lost) more than tobacco ... as long as it is moderate!

Moreover, all the centenarians interviewed had a very Zen philosophy of life (even if that's not all, genetics and food count at least as much ...)

To return to your personal case:

- What treatment did you try?

- And if you were trying to reduce to less than 5 a day simply? It might be easier?

- What are you doing? Rolled or normal?

- If normal, try the rolling tobacco (already less harmful despite the absence of filter) and if possible without additives or texture agents that make you more addicted to one brand or the other! There is at least one brand that does this: Fleur du Pays.

It seems to me that this is what I smoked all the way through, between 5 and 10 cigs / day (stopped without any help beginning 2008)

elephant wrote:- find something that makes you happy instead (excluding food and alcohol, of course)


Did you offer him the pipe?

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Sorry could not stop me .... too easy ...
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by the middle » 18/06/11, 10:36

I smoked two packets of Marlboro a day for 30 years.
Now it's 28 cigarettes pall mall a day, plus a 14 mg patch, because my lungs can not stand anymore.
It is very badly barred ...
Sore throat, sore lungs, pasty tongues, etc.
I am a big smoker, as they say, and I have an explosive character when I stop. (like all heavy smokers).
There have been lawsuits against the tobacco companies, but never have they banned them from putting additives in their cigarettes.
To begin with the chlorine I think. Then chocolate, etc.
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by the middle » 18/06/11, 10:46

I'm so scared of a close end that I'm busy writing the home's instructions for my wife.
Style: how to go from tank water to city water, how to restart the solar panels if there is a power failure, how to clean the chimney, etc ...
The oil heater, I give up because too complicated : Cheesy:
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by Christophe » 18/06/11, 10:48

Malbo are justly known for their strong addiction (try to switch from a camel to a malbo or vice versa: it disgusts ...)

28 a day is a lot but frankly it's not hopeless, you still have no cancer metastasized phase! If you have the will you can reduce ... provided that it is progressive enough!

What have you tried as methods yet?
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by elephant » 18/06/11, 10:51

How old are you ?

Has a serious diagnosis already been made?

What are your passions, your favorite hobbies? (apart from posting on econology? :D )

are you active, unemployed, retired?
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by Christophe » 18/06/11, 11:08

lejustemilieu wrote:I'm so scared of a close end that I'm busy writing the home's instructions for my wife.
Style: how to go from tank water to city water, how to restart the solar panels if there is a power failure, how to clean the chimney, etc ...
The oil heater, I give up because too complicated : Cheesy:


Watch out anyway: the morale and the effect nocébo (the opposite of the placebo) have a significant effect on the immune system, and therefore the development (or not) of diseases ... In the long term, cancers are concerned !!

I refer you to one of your subjects: https://www.econologie.com/forums/le-secret- ... t8324.html

Exactly the centenarians interviewed in the report that I presented above all had a morale of steel! I will make it a subject ...

Morale and a good diet is much more important to extend one's life expectancy than any medical treatment!
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by the middle » 18/06/11, 11:33

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by FPLM » 18/06/11, 11:43

Christophe wrote:Morale and a good diet is much more important to extend one's life expectancy than any medical treatment!

All right. The immune system is designed to clean the body of its toxins whether ingested or inhaled. The stronger it is (healthy diet, rich in vitamins, trace elements and antioxidants), the more effectively the body becomes. This also includes potentially cancerous cells. Among therapies, immunotherapy (boosting the immune system to do its job properly), when cancer is detected early enough, is the one that gives the best results.
Junk food is responsible for 30% of cancers in the West and this figure is revised upwards by some specialists who make the corollary between the weakened immune system and non-food-related cancers (UV, pollutants, ...)
Anxiety and depression are known to weaken the immune system. The chronic inflammation of the cells and the strong strain on the immune system already weakened by a psychological state "down" is a dangerous cocktail.
It is important to look after these 3 aspects at the same time.
That said, fortifying the immune system with a healthy diet is the first thing I would do if it was too hard for me to stop smoking.
This already gives the assurance of being protected from the harmful effects of chronic poisoning. This should lessen the anxiety that you feel rightly but probably more than necessary.
And finally, release the body of the permanent fight against this poison and enjoy the new breath to gradually resume a reasonable but sustained sporting activity.
Many people arrive and are all happy with this new life. The effort is certain but the reward is even more.
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