Application of the Health Pass. For who ? How? 'Or' What ? Efficiency? Limits ? Legality?

[izentrop]

What does that have to do with the subject?

Even inconsistent blah ... The hospital that doesn't give a damn about charity

[Exnihiloest]

humus »05/08/21, 09:43

What does that have to do with the subject?

not looking, he does not know it himself, it's just for the pleasure of messing up!
that said, we are witnessing more and more a national front (a real one) against the anti-Crafts past!

The far-right, more or less soft à la Philipot, which criticizes the Sanitary Pass, remarks relayed by an enthusiastic Remundo and a few others here, it is the big puppet, coming from people capable on the contrary of sticking you a yellow star.

The question of the health pass in France is reduced to an inconsistency.
Or we affirm the obligation of vaccination, and the health pass is to be imposed only for the time necessary to vaccinate everyone.
Or we say that there is no obligation, and then no health pass is to be imposed, because to impose it comes back fact to an obligation of vaccination.
The government has undoubtedly taken the side that the people would be too stupid to understand that vaccination is in fact becoming an obligation, no one being able to agree to submit to a test every 2 days. Whoever does not submit to it loses rights, becoming a sub-citizen. This is obviously not acceptable.

Vaccination cannot be imposed either, because the test protocols have not been completed, the follow-up is insufficient, and in addition it is clear that the vaccines will have to be adapted to the variants over time.

That said, if treatment options such as HCQ, Azithromycin, Ivermectin, Plitidepsin ... must be studied and used, the fact remains that vaccination remains today the most effective, even if it is not 100%, and that those who refuse it cannot then claim when they will be affected, have the right to clutter up hospitals and mobilize caregivers in contempt of those who have accepted it . The right to refuse the recommended methods of care, which it seems to me normal to grant to everyone therefore to antivax, must also have as a corollary a lower requirement of care when one suffers the consequences, the priority remaining to those who l 'have accepted.

[Rajqawee]

humus »05/08/21, 09:43

What does that have to do with the subject?

not looking, he does not know it himself, it's just for the pleasure of messing up!
that said, we are witnessing more and more a national front (a real one) against the anti-Crafts past!

The far-right, more or less soft à la Philipot, which criticizes the Sanitary Pass, remarks relayed by an enthusiastic Remundo and a few others here, it is the big puppet, coming from people capable on the contrary of sticking you a yellow star.

The question of the health pass in France is reduced to an inconsistency.
Or we affirm the obligation of vaccination, and the health pass is to be imposed only for the time necessary to vaccinate everyone.
Or we say that there is no obligation, and then no health pass is to be imposed, because to impose it comes back fact to an obligation of vaccination.
The government has undoubtedly taken the side that the people would be too stupid to understand that vaccination is in fact becoming an obligation, no one being able to agree to submit to a test every 2 days. Whoever does not submit to it loses rights, becoming a sub-citizen. This is obviously not acceptable.

Vaccination cannot be imposed either, because the test protocols have not been completed, the follow-up is insufficient, and in addition it is clear that the vaccines will have to be adapted to the variants over time.

That said, if treatment options such as HCQ, Azithromycin, Ivermectin, Plitidepsin ... must be studied and used, the fact remains that vaccination remains today the most effective, even if it is not 100%, and that those who refuse it cannot then claim when they will be affected, have the right to clutter up hospitals and mobilize caregivers in contempt of those who have accepted it . The right to refuse the recommended methods of care, which it seems to me normal to grant to everyone therefore to antivax, must also have as a corollary a lower requirement of care when one suffers the consequences, the priority remaining to those who l 'have accepted.

Ok for everything (ie it's an opinion that I understand) Except for the fact of not administering care to people who have made a choice. It has always been the very foundation of medical ethics.
A little reading of the Hippocratic Oath puts these things in context.

These values ​​which have carried us for centuries undoubtedly have a meaning ... for having kept them for so long.

[Janic]

Exnullard »05/08/21, 11:44
and still a lot of bullshit

That said, if treatment options such as HCQ, Azithromycin, Ivermectin, Plitidepsin ... must be studied and used, the fact remains that vaccination remains today the most effective,

not effective, but claimed to be effective.
even after more than a century of vaccination, smallpox never was until containment measures were finally put in place and it ended. The same goes for polio. Same thing for the flu vaccine which is a scientific joke too.

even if it is not 100%,

to say the least, given the increasing number of major side effects, such as deaths

and that those who refuse it cannot then claim when they will be affected, to the contempt of those who have accepted it.

typical and characteristic example of demagoguery Refuse the sick following alcoholism :: "those who refuse to stop and cannot then pretend when they will be affected, the priority remaining to those who have agreed not to drink. Those who refuse it cannot then pretend when they will be affected, " "ditto for tobacco, other drugs, the junk eaters" He's really totalitarian, funny!
Fortunately, our healthcare system heals everybody regardless of personal choices leading to being sick since everyone pays contributions made for that from their income.

The right to refuse the recommended methods of care, which it seems to me normal to grant to everyone therefore to antivax, must also have as a corollary a lower requirement of care when one suffers the consequences, the priority remaining to those who l 'have accepted.

as demagogic as the rest. The right to refuse ONE method is not to refuse everything, since some, refused by the scientific authorities under the thumb of the big labs, could have avoided many of these serious patients and therefore deaths.

the priority remaining with those who accepted it.

funny, if they accepted it, it was to avoid being cut off from a social life more important than this big flu and in addition not to be additional victims due to
vaccine. What a bastard!

[GuyGadeboisTheBack]

... vaccination remains today the most effective method, even if it is not 100%, and that those who refuse it cannot then claim when they will be affected, have the right to clutter up hospitals and mobilize caregivers in contempt of those who have accepted it.

And there you have it, there is REAL fascism ... to create a society with "real men" who accept vaccination and who have the right to everything, and "sub-men" who, because of their very legitimate attitude, will be refused access to healthcare, restaurants, cinemas, etc, etc!

Ps: And Izy to give us a layer with the Swiss comic that Blédina took for a real interviewee ... Pathetic old men on the verge of breaking up ...

[Christophe]

The Health Pass should be maintained for 1 year according to this job offer:

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And it is the so-called "extreme right" which must denounce this ... the world upside down!

[Christophe]

You mean ? The real specialists muzzled by their career of dough?

From this sequence Raoult confirms the corruption and the urgency to frame this problem.
otherwise everything else in the video is interesting.
Delta less dangerous than the English variant.
He has a CV that is unique in France, so the "paper or TV specialists" who take him for a weirdo, always talk.

Thank you, nothing to add (at the end), Raoult has risen in my esteem there since his provax failure

I remember this at 15:50 (proving that the assholes, specialists, professionals, politicians, anonymous people who argue that "the vaccine is the only solution" are indeed big!)

"Medical practice is the effect of a number of small things"

[Exnihiloest]

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Ok for everything (ie it's an opinion that I understand) Except for the fact of not administering care to people who have made a choice.

That's not what I said. I said that the priority should go to those who accept the recommended solutions (never perfect solutions), the means of the company not being unlimited.

[Rajqawee]

...
Ok for everything (ie it's an opinion that I understand) Except for the fact of not administering care to people who have made a choice.

That's not what I said. I said that the priority should go to those who accept the recommended solutions (never perfect solutions), the means of the company not being unlimited.

No more. In the event of limited resources, the sorting takes place on the individuals' chance of survival. This is the protocol used in military medicine BUT ALSO the one used and recommended in the event of a massive influx (and again, we are oversimplifying here. Ethics specialists write pages and pages on this subject).

All this only exists if saturation of means occurs .... which is potentially avoidable by an increase in means.

[Christophe]

Ouch Ouch ... the children are now being held hostage! While we have ZERO MEDICAL RECULS on them with regard to the vaccine !!

And that claims to be a "specialist doctor" oh no, he's a miserable general practitioner !!! But let him close his box!

Vaccine which protects only serious cases which only rarely affects young people !! On the other hand, vaccinated young people make even more barrier gestures and spread the epidemic !!!

They are really morons at home ... unless all this is cleverly calculated ... nah nothing I'm not a conspirator !!

And the precautionary principle? Manure !!