Advances in the fight against the coronavirus

[Philippe Schutt]

France evening adds this on 14/07

"Addendum to July 14, 2020:

On July 14, some people asked questions about the Swiss data. According to the latter, Switzerland has reclassified certain patients. No information to date is available. We had contacted the FOPH without response to date.
What we can say is that the source used for the Johns Hopkins University analysis reports the following information: 1968 deaths for Switzerland to date. According to FOPH data there are 1688 deaths in the graph presented, but there is also a note explaining that 158 ​​cases were not represented due to missing data. There is therefore a difference of 280 deaths between the two databases.
By way of comparison John Hopkins reports 30 deaths for France and Public Health presents 032 deaths. A difference of 30 deaths on the date of publication.
Since Johns Hopkins collects near real-time data from various countries, the prevailing assumption is that the Johns Hopkins data is correct. In the absence of a factual and substantiated response from the FOPH on the deviations of 280 deaths, the data used appear reliable. The FOPH contacted us on July 16 and asked for details to understand the differences and reclassifications made. We inform the reader that this article is subject to change. "

I think we will have the end of the story soon ...

[Obamot]

Uh, but I never said that the data from France-Soir were "reliable", I just found one where two correlations! ...

And Ipca, Plaquenil, Nivaquine and Zentiva are these brands? ... (from your posts here https://www.econologie.com/forums/post405351.html#p405351 and this one : https://www.econologie.com/forums/post405374.html#p405374

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After if the doctors / professors talked about a brand or the molecule, what do you know? Nothing on the road! We do something, you go to the HUG Twitter account, you ask them the question and then you just post the result of your request here (as I personally did)!
... and we talk about it again ...

[pedrodelavega]

And Ipca, Plaquenil, Nivaquine and Zentiva are these brands? ... (from your posts here https://www.econologie.com/forums/post405351.html#p405351 and this one : https://www.econologie.com/forums/post405374.html#p405374

The links I posted talk about the HCQ shutdown (not from one brand rather than another):

https://www.lenouvelliste.ch/dossiers/c ... ine-940988
The two largest French-speaking hospitals stop prescribing hydroxychloroquine.... "From the start, we were cautious face the use of this drug. We never administered it as a preventive measure ”... HUG also waived to prescribe de hydroxychloroquine. The drug has been tested, but it has not been proven that the treatment works, said HUG spokesman Nicolas De Saussure.
https://www.heidi.news/sante/exclusif-l ... hloroquine
The Geneva University Hospitals (HUG) have decided to restrict prescription hydroxychloroquine, except in exceptional cases, to Covid-19 patients in clinical trial
https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/1 ... enant.html
Hydroxychloroquine widely prescribed in Switzerland so far ..... Today, experts know a little more about this drug and its benefit / risk balance compared to Covid-19, and have decided in the light of current knowledge ofstop prescribing it, in any case until further notice.
https://www.estrepublicain.fr/edition-p ... hloroquine
The university hospitals of Lausanne and Geneva no longer prescribe hydroxychloroquine

(The 4th link is on administrative flexibility for supply and does not prove at all that there was a recovery from June 11. They had put additional locks when they used bcp. As they stopped, they returned to normal)

After if the doctors / professors talked about a brand or the molecule, what do you know? Nothing on the road! We do something, you go to the HUG Twitter account, you ask them the question and then you just post the result of your request here (as I personally did)!
... and we talk about it again ...

No need to go that far, just go to the official HUG website and read the recommendations (last updated 02/07):
https://www.hug.ch/sites/interhug/files ... vid-19.pdf

Conclusion:
Evidence for the clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19 disease has not been established. Large randomized controlled trials (Recovery, Solidarity, Discovery) have now all stopped recruitment in the absence of therapeutic benefit (data not yet published).
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been associated alone or in combination with azithromycin to an increase in adverse effects, particularly in the heart.
The prescription for hydroxychloroquine must now be exclusively reserved for the strict framework of a clinical triale, with cardiac monitoring by ECG and by checking the absence of co-medications lengthening the QT interval (antiemetics, macrolides, quinolones, antiarrhythmics, antidepressants, antipsychotics) before any prescription (website http://www.crediblemeds.org).

In short, the article of "Francesoir" is false:
They are wrong about the number of deaths and they are wrong about stopping or resuming the HCQ.

[pedrodelavega]

No matter what, there are between 50 and 140 cases per day ... You are super ill-informed ...!

We are not talking about the number of cases but the number of deaths ....

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The peak case has nothing to do with a curative treatment being used or not being used.

[sicetaitsimple]

Johns Hopkins data, is data disseminated by hospitals and collected day after day ... They are therefore not manipulated with an underlying political weighting (and obvious, and it is in this sense that they are very interesting.
Try again...

Well yes of course! All healthcare establishments around the world (and in particular Swiss establishments) have signed an agreement with Johns Hopkins University requiring them to transmit all of their data in real time ....
I am told that even the French Navy was obliged to go there for the Charles de Gaulle cases! It's a shame!
And that if by chance there was a death at home in such or such country, the obligation applies by default for the family, at the risk of being sued by Johns Hopkins University.
Anyway....

Lost !

We are in the era of “big data” these raw data were available for a time here:

no comment, But you should grow a little ... Turn the page of the world of teddy bears.

Here, the Johns Hopkins input data list is available here (DATA SOURCES: This list includes a complete list of all sources ever used in the data set, since January 21, 2010.) :

https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID ... /README.md

If you find any Swiss data that is not already aggregated data, you tell me .....

[pedrodelavega]

- but even the infectious disease and HIV specialist at HUG, Alexandra Calmy, closed the debate by saying that “If she had covid-19 herself, she would take the treatment with hydroxychloroquine”.

[...] Alexandra Calmy, specialist in infectious diseases and HIV at HUG, closed the debate in her own way: "She declared that she would take it if she was sick, but without having definitive proof of its effects. " On the other side of the mirror, the viewer suddenly felt reassured.

This is the implicit proof here that treatment with hydroxychloroquine has a better chance of working than any other, otherwise it would have said the same, but about treatments with anti-retrovirals (or whatever it would be...)
QED!

"Lost bet" dixit Dr. Alexandra Calmy
https://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ ... artTime=69

"This is the implicit proof here that treatment with hydroxychloroquine has very little chance of working, otherwise she would have said the same ...,"
QED!

[Obamot]

May 23 ... just after the fake Lancet fake study ... and dishonest with that !!!

[...] No need to go that far, [...]

Indeed, you would never go further !!! Everything is explained in this sentence ... GREAT ...

You are the archetype of these frustrated guys, who all their lives have not dared to look beyond the tip of their nose ...

And who take their revenge on forums by attacking those they loathe ...!
And that's why you are absolutely not able to make good choices, or to make good decisions. CQFD.

(Because indeed everything demonstrates and everything explains why we must look further, but as everything has been said, nothing to add)

just ...

Yaka falcon ...
bye bye

[pedrodelavega]

May 23 ... just after the fake Lancet fake study ... [b]and dishonest with that !!!

Alexandra Calmy justifies her change of mind on hydroxychloroquine following a "a number of studies that have recently arrived"(not specifically that of the Lancet which was screwed up).
I have not seen a more recent statement to the contrary from her and the recommendations currently valid in Switzerland (no prescription except in the context of a clinical trial) are still in line with what she said on 23/05 .

They have "bet"on the HCQ, they tried:"Lost bet".

[Obamot]

You wouldn't know NOTHING, because they won't tell YOU ... It's strictly political.

You know this very well since you do NOT WANT to experience it: go yourself ask them your questions to see their reaction / s as I suggested, by going here: https://twitter.com/Hopitaux_unige (and as I did myself).

So you seem to have great bad faith again (which is not a scoop, it's your trademark ...)

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PS: The 'com' with the press, while there have been deaths with a shovel and the stakes weigh tens of billions ... with more a form of blackmail to obtain certain molecules ... (for a university hospital) bein uh ... how to say ... if you really believe everything they tell US ... then you still believe in Santa Claus ...!

[ABC2019]

You wouldn't know NOTHING, because they / she won't tell YOU ... It's strictly political .:

your problem is precisely that you think that, suddenly you do not take into account any real scientific data.