Carlos Tavares dismantles the electric car

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Do you have even a vague idea of ​​the orders of magnitude at stake, compared to current electricity consumption?
We will stay in France, to simplify.

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It is only fools who do not change their minds, they say?

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-radi ... 44669.html

The interview cited in the first post of this thread dates from the end of 2018.

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An info is missing for this Doc of "Carlos Tavares", indeed it has been circulating on the net and in mailboxes for several years! Chai not even if it is genuine.

Here is an interesting reading by Carlos Tavares (boss of PSA) and Stéphane Lhomme (Director of the Nuclear Observatory)

[I]The world is crazy. The fact that authorities order us to go in a technological direction, that of the electric vehicle, is a big turning point. Carlos Tavares

As if our automotive lobbies didn't rain or shine in the various regulations.

I would not like that in 30 years we will discover something that is not as beautiful as it seems, on the recycling of batteries, the use of rare materials on the planet, on the electromagnetic emissions of the battery in a charging situation?

We already know that it is no better than the smoking version, but the PSA ads do not stand out from the others "to go in a better direction".

How are we going to produce more clean electric power?

Still a supporter of always more in a finite world and on the brink. And it's that kind of individual who wants to teach us lessons about how to prepare for the future.

How to ensure that the carbon footprint of manufacturing an electric vehicle battery is not an ecological disaster?
How to ensure that recycling a battery is not an ecological disaster?
How to find enough scarce raw material to make battery cells and chemistries over time?
THU deals with the issue of clean mobility as a whole?
THU today is asking the question in a sufficiently broad way from a societal point of view to take into account all of these parameters?

I worry as citoyen, because as a car manufacturer I am not not audible.

"THU"not PSA in any case, and the citizen, one could not be more concerned (director of the shop) who wakes up (pretends to)," Ho! it's not good ", but I who am in power .... I will not do anything (not audible)

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In addition, all the CO² emitted by an electric car is sent into the atmosphere even before a single kilometer has been traveled.
While it is everywhere claimed that the electric car does not emit fine particles, as the magazine Science et Vie (January 2015) points out, “tires, brakes and road wear emit almost as many microparticles as diesel ”.
The electric car certainly emits less particles than the thermal car, since it does not have an exhaust, but it does have brakes, tires, and rolls on tar!

In the end, the electric car is no more ecological than the thermal car.

The public money devoted to its development is therefore totally unjustified.

Yet when public money is used to finance automotive studies "electric cars", it is not shunned but rather solicited, but there, it is justified.

However, these are astronomical sums:
- The government has launched a plan to install 7 million recharging stations at around 10 euros each, ie a cost of around 000 billion euros.
It is also heart touching to see elected officials from small towns, believing they are making a gesture for the environment, breaking the municipal piggy bank to afford a terminal;
- The “ecological” bonus for the purchase of an electric car exceeds € 10 per vehicle, often supplemented by a regional bonus.
Almost all buyers are wealthy households, because these vehicles are very expensive: once again, everyone's money is offered to the most privileged.
In reality, in the land of the atom, all means are good to “boost” electricity consumption, which has been falling continuously for years.
Because the electric car in France can be considered as a “nuclear car”: almost all of the recharging stations installed are connected to the ordinary electricity network, 80% nuclear.
We must not be fooled by the certificates put forward by Mr. Bolloré and his Autolib (Paris), Bluecub (Bordeaux) and Bluely (Lyon), ensuring that they are recharged with renewable energies: it is only a question of writing games; the electricity used is the same as elsewhere.
We are not here promoting the thermal car, itself an environmental calamity.
But, precisely, nobody would have the idea of ​​offering 10 euros to buy a diesel car, to reserve parking spaces for it and to fill its tank at a broken price ...
It's a very good analysis demonstrating that our policies (and the greens) are giving us a show: ...

It's a very bad analysis demonstrating that it is always the others who do not do the right thing (the politicians and / or the greens), that those who could draw on the good side prefer to shy away and offer nothing. This is a good show ....
The politicians are not doing the right thing ... because the lobbies, among others, the automobile industry, have something else to feed them.

... Just to locate the degree of paranoia of the most virulent detractors of the diesel vehicle, we must reveal to them the data of the maritime industry which has shown that by considering the size of the engines and the quality of the fuel used, the 40 The world's largest cargo ships pollute as much as all of the planet's 760 million automobiles.

You know, these container ships that supply us with products that we manufactured in our relocated factories, today, they each burn 10.000 tonnes of fuel for a return trip between Asia and Europe.
These unfortunate 40 ships are part of a flotilla of 3.500, to which must be added the 17.500 tankers who make up all the 100.000 ships that ply the seas.

Another bullshit, the problem is not so much the huge diesel boats (whose performance is excellent), but the fuel they use and which contains an incredible level of sulfur. Feed them with well desulphurized automotive diesel and the problem "disappears".

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Let us recall that the French pleasure craft fleet is around 500.000 units, including 5.000 yachts over 60 meters, and that the most average of these burns around 900 liters of fuel in just one hour, while the 24% of households French people who heat themselves with oil find it difficult to fill their tank for the winter ...

Absolutely. It reminds me of this great responsible ecologist Nicolas Hulot, who told us:

"Each of us must take our share of responsibility in this cycle of futility. In this silent complacency, even this gluttony with the frivolous, we reduce ourselves [...] Do not sacrifice the future of our children in the light of our futilities! "

which great ecologist walked with his family in a Waliant 7m outboard (+/- 50 euros excluding trailer) equipped with a 40hp Verado-Mercury engine (+/- 000 euros) capable of consuming up to 225 liters per hour at full speed.

It's like those pedophile priests who took vows of chastity and preached abstinence before marriage.
Ah, they are pretty green advocates of anti-frivolity, generations to come and non-waste!

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He was even Minister of Ecology this sinister sire. A good example of infiltration of institutions by a follower of the opposite clan.
Another anecdote, a few years ago, he sold the name "Ushuaia" for a shower gel shampoo or something like that, not by chance but by forcing the "nature ++" side to recall his flagship TV show. Lack of pot, some time later, a consumer magazine pinpoints the product in question because it contained a lot of chemical filth like the worst of its competitors.
Not even bad, for him it's an opportunity like any other to make money ...