Infrared: asbestos, 100000 dead in France by 2025?

[Obamot]

indeed, it is not because a product would be "natural" that it would not be dangerous: examples: radon, snake venoms, amatoxins, strychnine, ricin, cyanides (some of which are found in some parts of food that in principle it would be better not to consume), botulinum toxin (500 gr of that could kill all humans on the planet)!

[Christophe]

You forgot the mushrooms lol ...

But I don't quite understand your remark: "classic" asbestos is also natural, eh ...

[Obamot]

well amatoxins are good in some mushrooms? Finally I have not tried, and apart from those of Chernobyl which I know someone who has gorged themselves "because safe and you can frolic like a rabbit after" I only eat the mushrooms of Paris (which grow in the cellars!

You should add to your thread, the mineral wool dust, it seems, is as dangerous as asbestos (according to our chemist), but which nobody talks about (so protect yourself to the max if you have to lay glass wool / rock, and only put it in ITE.)

[Christophe]

Sorry sorry not seen

But that does not change anything: asbestos (classic) is indeed 100% natural fibers ... I saw the disused mine of Cap Corse (on the West coast north of Nonza): there were still fiber everywhere in the fencing ... did not linger on the spot ...

ps: radon is also in cellars

[Obamot]

Sorry sorry not seen

Good luck (alcohol is also deadly in self medication )

ps: radon is also in cellars

it is also in the cellars but not only, it goes up in the constructions on the floors by "the chimney effect":
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/strahlun ... ml?lang=fr

[Christophe]

No, thanks, no aperitif during the week

[Obamot]

A beer Dr?

In Europe, deaths due:
- asbestos 20 / year source: >>>
- with radon 25 / year (by statistical extrapolation)
- air pollution: 300 sources >>>
- alcohol (probably)> 500 (directly or indirectly involved) 000 million worldwide >>>

[Christophe]

You forgot tobacco (often linked to alcohol for that matter)

Yes and there you revive the collective risk debate (imposed therefore intolerable) VS conscious individual risk (and therefore assumed ... at least in part)

What do you mean? That asbestos is therefore not so dangerous?

[Obamot]

Yes of course, every death "counts" (!) And we must seriously reassess the risks for asbestos. This thread makes perfect sense.

What I mean is that we must not forget the priorities.

And moreover, as you say for tobacco and alcohol, these risks are added to others.

So the message is to avoid accumulating / adding risky (and necessarily unnecessary) exhibitions by protecting yourself whenever possible (DIY, etc.)

We suddenly understand why we have to get out of nuclear power, because low dose irradiation will only increase and add up over time! And there we announce> 1 million deaths / year, 200 in the most optimistic perspectives. But obviously motus and not a word of this drama by Jancovici, you said weird? This guy never let me down, because I never got what he said ( )

It should still be remembered that UNSCEAR, which always used the IAEA figures, ended up admitting> 1 million deaths, that the WHO also admits that the figures must be revised!

And obviously that degenerative diseases (not hereditary) are the main ones concerned, that is to say almost ALL pathologies.