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by Obamot » 03/04/12, 20:07

... Missing more than that ! : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:

I also denounce this falsification of Dedeleco's post!

Inadmissible for those who define themselves by their writings, as "The archangel claiming to defend science" in this forum!

Obamot, on Mar 03 Apr 2012 at 14:24 pm wrote:
dedeleco, on Mar 03 Apr 2012 at 13:17 wrote:Disease hate himself and its severity is measured by the speed of reaction and writing posts on the forum !


We also measure someone by their writings ...

Yes, the feeling of hatred that emerges from your reactions is often what we notice.

No, we cannot hate cancer: because if the ultimate hypothesis by the most advanced researchers is confirmed, the body will develop cancer itself "because it would need it". It would indeed be for want of being able to eliminate the toxins by a tired liver, that the body would then develop cells elsewhere to store said toxins there, this in order to avoid intoxicating us prematurely ...

A kind of last chance response! Should we hate it? : Lol:

If with HIV-AIDS (if indeed we found the "good thesis" dear to Dedeleco) we were in the same order of phenomenon, it would not be "detestable". It is nature, it is like that ... Some people think, with a certain dogmatism, that we cannot do anything about it. Others rightly think the opposite: clinical cases in support ... Should we "hate" nature?

And finally Dedeleco, by successive pirouettes, always strives not to answer the questions.


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dedeleco, who ultimately falsifies his own messages on Mar 03 Apr 2012 at 16:35, by denial wrote:Disease is detected and its severity is measured by the speed of reaction and writing posts on the forum !!

oh, the smart little one! He restores his error (that's good) and modifies his quote as if it were the old one. Ouhhh, the cheater!


The slip remains revealing,
... liars remain liars and manipulators.


It is stronger than them.

Questions:

How does he deal with "truth" and his "morals", presenting himself as both falsifying and scientific ...?

He who accuses others of denial, how does he deal with his own?

Curious that, a falsifier who believes in the theory of evolution, right ...? How can he believe it being a manipulator himself? : Lol: To believe it, you still have to trust what the "scientists" do and what they say, right?

After wondering why he doubts ...

There are a lot of other questions in this forum, as: "Can we still believe it ...?"
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by nlc » 03/04/12, 21:24

dedeleco wrote:The disease is detected and its severity is measured, by the speed of reaction and writing posts on the forum !!


Anyway even after correction it means nothing and it does not advance the schmilblick at all. But it is on the same scientific level as the whole HIV = AIDS hypothesis unfortunately.

If not dedeleco, you must probably still seek studies or scientific publications which undoubtedly demonstrate that this virus does cause AIDS? Publications which must obviously be prior to 84-85 since it is from there that everyone searches for how the virus does it.
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by dedeleco » 03/04/12, 21:27

You are fun !!!
A lot of your addictive reactions are good for the humor section, if AIDS was not as dangerous !!

If Christophe was not paragliding in the air, or trying the new plane car, Transition, at € 212000, would that be locked ????

And again the scratched record player with its rumble, remains locked and soundproofed !!!

Finally, listen to Did67, it is not good to get angry !!!

As long as you can pedal and run, enjoy it, like me, every day, thinking of Did67 !!!
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by nlc » 03/04/12, 22:06

Still no answer to questions :x

- What was your area of ​​research?

- Are all scientists and nobels unanimous or do you accept the fact that there are some who refute the official theory of HIV = AIDS?

- What is the study or scientific publication that shows that AIDS is caused by the virus called HIV. Stop your condescending words and find the answer to this question, the publication must exist since it is the basis of 30 years of research on understanding how hiv causes AIDS.
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by nlc » 03/04/12, 22:08

dedeleco wrote:If Christophe was not paragliding in the air, or trying the new plane car, Transition, at € 212000, it would already be locked ??


You are waiting for that, right? Just to avoid answering embarrassing questions?
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by chatelot16 » 03/04/12, 22:49

no need to torture dedicated to make him admit that HIV = AIDS ... we know very well that hiv is a virus and that aids is a disease: therefore disease is not more equal to virus than cabbage = carrot

we still know a little that this virus often produces a disease

what proof do you want? in real life it's never completely always or completely never
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by Obamot » 03/04/12, 23:06

Dedeleco is big enough to torture himself by the length of the wire ... : Cheesy:

And then you keep coming back to it:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post229128.html#229128

... but you didn't answer either. Without answering for you, once again I am convinced that no one said the opposite!

Fake a post because it is in denial : Shock: In any case, it is not we who inflict that on him, or else ... : Mrgreen: : Cheesy:
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by Obamot » 03/04/12, 23:11

nlc wrote:
dedeleco wrote:If Christophe was not paragliding in the air, or trying the new plane car, Transition, at € 212000, it would already be locked ??


You are waiting for that, right? Just to avoid answering embarrassing questions?


Dedeleco wants to insororize the forum with some "heavy, light" : Mrgreen: : Cheesy: : Mrgreen:

(I note in passing, that the modo has locked the wire on the soundproofing after my conclusion with reference to DIN standards - also because Dedeleco, after having also falsified one of my posts there, had implicitly recognized its wrongs by being confused in its response ...:
https://www.econologie.com/forums/post229240.html#229240

... which blocked a corner for him, but obviously he wants more ... - walking on it at this point is a real masterpiece ... to put in the anal of the forum : Mrgreen: : Cheesy: : Mrgreen:
- and now he wants to use it to his profit, it still makes you scream with laughter at all the audible frequencies ... ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ... what a big commique) : Mrgreen:
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by nlc » 03/04/12, 23:49

chatelot16 wrote:no need to torture dedicated to make him admit that HIV = AIDS ... we know very well that hiv is a virus and that aids is a disease: therefore disease is not more equal to virus than cabbage = carrot


When I say HIV = AIDS it is to speak of the official hypothesis which says that HIV causes AIDS

chatelot16 wrote:we still know a little that this virus often produces a disease

Not illness, but AIDS, about thirty illnesses (associated with a positive test)
But we know it because we are told, but is this claim well founded? On what scientific study or publication is this claim based? It is that I ask inside, to find this study or scientific publication which demonstrates scientifically that HIV causes AIDS. Between us, he can search for a long time, there is none !!!

chatelot16 wrote:what proof do you want? in real life it's never completely always or completely never


In any scientific field, hypotheses become conclusions when the arguments are unstoppable and are proven by scientific studies and validations. For HIV / AIDS, there is nothing, not even a virus, it has never been isolated from a patient. For 30 years, researchers have been looking for increasingly complicated and wobbly explanations to explain the inexplicable.
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by dedeleco » 04/04/12, 02:08

bonsoir,
nlc asserts in its addiction to denial of HIV / AIDS:
For HIV / AIDS, there is nothing, not even a virus, it has never been isolated from a patient


Totally archival.

It's even by isolating it from many patients, repeatedly, that we have isolated HIV, which would never have been strictly found without extracting it from the lymph nodes of AIDS patients, this repeatedly, which has led to the Nobel Prizes !!!

Read the book of the one who was the scientific director of these Nobel prizes, since he taught them all, what retroviruses looked like, 10 years before !!

JC Chermann: pages 45 to 60 and also up to page 100, so scientifically proven, that they convinced their US competitor with Gallo, also stubborn, who had the bad virus !!
http://www.amazon.fr/Tout-monde-connait ... 2234063752
Everyone should know this story
that stubborn, obstinate in your denial, you refuse to 20 years late !!!!





The work of tens of thousands of researchers over 30 years, is denied, annihilated, by negationists unable to understand the basic scientific bases, which they have never made the effort to read, understand and assimilate on this forum.

On this subject, origin of AIDS, read pages 188 to 194 of the JC Chermann ed. Stock:
http://www.amazon.fr/Tout-monde-connait ... 2234063752

This is serious, because an old retrovirus, more or less endogenous in us or limited, can resurface, resuscitate at any time, changing our lifestyles, and cause a deadly pandemic, instead of coming from African monkeys.

Also read the other pages.

HIV may not be in the blood, hidden elsewhere, the germ cells of the testes allow it to be transmitted, via the spermatozoa, for example according to a recent study (which I have already mentioned, and reminded to Santé Mag). So in the blood is useless for the virus, but being transmitted in the testes allows it to multiply and survive the death of its host.
Like an endogenous virus, which multiplies, like its host, hidden in its genes, for generations, never in the blood, or anywhere else, except when he wakes up.

http://www.snv.jussieu.fr/vie/dossiers/ ... onsida.htm
http://papamamanbebe.net/a7440-le-sperm ... s-the.html
http://entraidepositive.wordpress.com/2 ... le-sperme/
http://www.inserm.fr/espace-journaliste ... s-cellules

More surprisingly, there seems to be a "autonomous" production of HIV in the genital tract (which would be according to the expression consecrated a virus "sanctuary"), and it is not uncommon for patients treated and in whom there is viral suppression in the blood (in any case below the detection threshold, which is currently extremely low, between 20 and 50 copies / ml after amplification), viral load in semen is significantly higher (hence contamination from infected people treated).
How can the continued presence of HIV viral genetic material in the sperm of HIV-positive men receiving effective doses of antiretroviral therapy be explained? In these men, the however, the viral load of the blood becomes undetectable. The testicle and its environment somehow represent a sanctuary for HIV replication. Protease inhibitors used in HIV treatments do not reach therapeutic concentrations in sperm, and sexual transmission of drug-resistant strains is increasing.


Simple reasoning may be wrong.

Only in-depth, cross-checked, repeated biological studies allow us to know and acquire certainties.

There are also viruses, (not retroviruses) which hide in the undetectable nerves or ganglia, like that of Herpes (lymph nodes), that almost all of us have, sleeping, and waking up sometimes.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herp%C3%A8s
http://papamamanbebe.net/a7440-le-sperm ... s-the.html

That of chickenpox, the same, disappears for a lifetime in a ganglion, to wake up when you are old, for shingles, painful cow's milk, endless for years.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zona

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Always stubborn, like stubborn mules in the negation of scientific reality, the result of the work of thousands of scientists in all countries of the world !!!
It is criminal to continue to make young people believe that AIDS is not transmitted if we are not degenerate !!!

Cancer or AIDS are degenerative diseases


Criminal because millions of deaths as a result of these negations you deny !!


Fortunately my children did not believe these lies brain degenerates !!!

Their superficial reasoning may be false.

Only in-depth, cross-checked, repeated biological studies allow us to know and acquire certainties.

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We still die of AIDS, much faster, like a neighbor who died recently 10 years younger than me, a life shortened by 30 years, if without AIDS, without classifying it thus, so as not to harm his family, even if it is classified in one of the very numerous opportunistic diseases which are in fact AIDS !!!

Obamôt to pretend to be right distorts the truth written everywhere, even in its quotations !!!

http://www.aids-champagne-ardenne.fr/20 ... en-france/

Cancers are now responsible for a third of deaths in people with HIV. We know that many are associated with immunosuppression induced by HIV infection. They are called "classifying AIDS", just like certain types of opportunistic infections. It includes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, Kaposi's disease, and cervical cancer in women. In contrast, we speak of "non-classifying" cancers to speak of lung, liver, digestive, anal, brain and Hodgkin's lymphoma cancers. However, according to the results of the national survey "Mortality 2005", the trend between cancers classifying and not classifying AIDS has been reversed. Now, 58% of cancers declared in HIV patients are not classified as AIDS.

Another trend in recent years is the increase in mortality in the 45-54 age group. However, it is not known whether the prevalence of cancers not classifying AIDS is higher or lower in this bracket than in the general population. Data is missing, Seropositivity is no longer indicated in the causes of death, HIV-positive people dying of cancer very often merge into the mass of cancers in the general population. What is certain is that each year of life with the virus has an impact on the occurrence of these cancers. same immunodeficient moderate- around 350 CD4 per mm3 - the risk of developing any form of cancer is increased. This risk would decrease for all cancers, except that of the anal canal, if the CD4 goes back to 500. A shock argument to start treatment as soon as possible.


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The negators of reality like you, fortunately, that they did not convince my young children, that AIDS was fun, that it was not transmitted, that we could not get it, if we didn was not of a degenerate race !!!

My children would have died of AIDS, if they believed you, instead of me, who told them, that it was a question of life and death, and that if they wanted to die, they only had to follow the ease of these negationists !!

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