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by izentrop » 04/01/19, 03:59

France is dead last for measles vaccination in Europe, and it is not new ...
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by Janic » 04/01/19, 07:46

fun as usual! If you consulted real statistics you would have read that over the last 10 years, there have been, in France, only 2 deaths http://sante.lefigaro.fr/article/la-maj ... -vaccines/
For the measles virus to stop circulating, 95% of the population must have received two doses of the vaccine. But only 7 of the 29 European countries achieved this goal in 2017.
and for 2018, only 3 fatal cases, two of which were fully vaccinated, i.e. 66% of deaths among the vaccinated and therefore only 1 unvaccinated death for 67.000.000 French people who have had little vaccination. A real national disaster. So your graph doesn't mean anything specific.
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by Janic » 04/01/19, 13:37

moved, again, from the topic on glyphosate to this topic there:
janic wrote: Explain to vaccinees why the laws of the various countries around us do not have the same vaccination rules and that here we vaccinate at this age and elsewhere at another?
:?: :?: :?: no answer!
Now, just out of curiosity, did you and all of your adult family and relationship, these 11 vaccines in question?
:?: :?: :?: same thing!
I will not be one of those who mourn a child killed by measles because I have refused vaccination,
You will have done according to your conscience and WE do not ask for anything other than respect for the individual than guaranteed, the constitution and others already mentioned. But if you try to put yourself in the place of parents whose children are dead or disabled for life for having been vaccinated: what would you say, then?
and do you encourage your children not to vaccinate your grandchildren? if you were consistent with yourself, you should do it and not give them a choice, you know, they ignore the dangers they run ... not to dissuade them would be criminal on your part right?
It’s not about encouraging or dissuading from doing anything, my kids like my grandkids don’t adhere to everything I think and say (luckily they’re not clones, them !) So getting vaccinated or not comes from their knowledge and their conscience as soon as they become responsible for themselves, according to the constitution.
For minors, adults take their responsibility by having vaccinated or not, and taking refuge behind a "law" will not change anything when there is a victim of the disease. or the vaccine injected as for the sudden death of the infant, or the victims of Gardasil or hepatitis B, even if the minister denies the existence of the victims, but fortunately not the courts, for now!
some countries are actually narrower than us, if a vaccine is not effective enough we do not reimburse it, and we explain this choice effectively by too relative efficiency, so we always come back to political choices rather than medical or environmental choices, the politician must take care of his image and open the umbrellas, so he no longer goes against public opinion, recent events prove it
It's confused! What does this have to do with reimbursement or not? And how does an effective vaccine here become ineffective a few KM away? A conscience cannot be minted. By cons you mix everything, probably out of ignorance. Our governments would like to be able to be as persuasive as the health services of other countries where the rates are much higher than ours (which served as an argument for the current minister to impose what brings the most money to companies of the drug of which it was a part before becoming politicized) but for as much no legislative haremism and contrary to what you say and believe, the ministers of health are often incompetent in health and it is its services which do not change with each change of minister, who estimate the ages, the various vaccines, the quantities, boosters, etc ... and public opinion hardly influence them.
As for the vaccines, they come from the rare manufacturers including Novartis, Sanofi, GSK
https://www.lesechos.fr/08/10/2013/lese ... rrence.htm
The National Health Insurance Fund will launch its seasonal flu vaccination campaign on Wednesday. Sanofi Pasteur and GSK largely dominate the flu vaccine market. But outsiders play the innovation card.
Vaccine manufacturers are in the starting blocks. The National Health Insurance Fund launched its seasonal flu vaccination campaign on Wednesday. Stable, the global flu vaccine market is spread across half a dozen laboratories, but two main players dominate: Sanofi Pasteur with a turnover of 884 million euros (including the pandemic vaccine) and the British GSK with sales of 236 million euros. The fact that the composition of the vaccine is similar from one manufacturer to another helps to freeze competitive positions. In fact, each year, the WHO makes a report in February on the circulation of influenza viruses thanks to its surveillance network. It deduces the strains that will most likely be in circulation the following winter and makes its recommendations on the composition of the future vaccine, recommendations unanimously followed.
It is therefore business, essentially!

Germany, a great figure in bio and ecology, has stopped nuclear power to replace it with coal, the most polluting energy, but with good communication, this country passes in the eyes of the French for the country of ecological progress and we he often cites it as a model, a height not
Even more brainwashing, these subjects are and have been widely examined on this site (and not by me so I have nothing to do with it) a political choice is made between the worst and the least worst. Coal pollution will affect the current generation (s) and we can obviously regret it, but nuclear power by its waste is millennia not a few decades, so it is a choice between the worst and the least worst. By cons they support much more than here, renewable energy and energy savings
it's the same with glyphosate, in America you can stop working if you win a "good lawsuit" against a company that has money, Monsanto is the right prey, so here we go, and it's been going on for years , and now we hear we have "finally" been able to get convicted, justice is wrong but is justice always independent since it is rendered by men ...
There you go from a good tone materialism to a philosophical dimension which is not treated in the same way. Monsanto products have been implicated everywhere in the world where plaintiffs will not fill their pockets, so your argument is of no value to non-Americans.
But it is true that the judges (not justice) can be more or less favorable to a cause, this is why the law does not leave to a single man the responsibility of the judgments to avoid this trap precisely there.
so afterwards, we know how to remain objective or not, we believe in communication or disinformation, where we look objectively we use our knowledge and form our own opinion, we stop beliefs based on the fertile soil of ignorance
Totally agree with this point! But the real question is which side is ignorance really on? Coluche, I believe, said: " it is not because many are wrong that it proves them right " To meditate!
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by izentrop » 04/01/19, 16:55

We can't blame him, he was manipulated by parents ...
"The problem is that there is no debate possible today in France on vaccination ... We are dealing with psychorigid", Regrets his wife http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/enfant ... 980438.php
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by Janic » 04/01/19, 18:20

always so bad!
"The problem is that there is no debate possible today in France on vaccination ... We are dealing with psychorigides", laments his wife http://www.leparisien.fr/societe/enfant ...980438.php
the psychorigides, in question, concern the provaccines who refuse these debates knowing that they will be ridiculed by scientists who are not in a pinch with the labs.
Fortunately, the media are not on the heels of doctors' orders, as are the courts which are still independent of power. Although sanctions are provided for by law, the courts have almost never sanctioned parents that these laws still protect. and even, more often than not, it is the administration which is punished for abuse of power.
this 65 year old (retirement age) homeopathic doctor who is the subject of a witch hunt does not appeal to avoid poisoning his life with administrative battles that end in fishtail. Professor Joyeux who was the subject of this witch hunt because saying loud and clear, what his colleagues cannot do without fear of the wrath of an order of doctors concerned with the interests of the order and not of the sick . or even Montagnier the new Pastor of HIV who supports this Pr Joyeux who only raises a pressing problem on the adjuvant and the precocity of vaccines, like Pr Even on the scandal of the drugs which are useless, or even the doctors of the world who find the exorbitant prices of certain patented drugs scandalous, which only plunder the SS, scandalous.
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by Exnihiloest » 04/01/19, 20:42

World Health Organization (WHO) sounds the alarm and calls on people to get vaccinated against measles, this extremely contagious viral epidemic. Indeed, since January, 41 people were affected by this infection and 000 Europeans died from it, according to Le Parisien. In France, more than 37 cases have been identified.
https://www.lepoint.fr/sante/rougeole-u ... 940_40.php
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by Janic » 05/01/19, 16:58

The World Health Organization (WHO) is sounding the alarm and calling on populations to be vaccinated against measles, this epidemic extremely contagious virus. Indeed, since January, 41 people have been affected by this infection and 000 Europeans have died, according to Le Parisien. In France, more than 37 cases have been identified.
https://www.lepoint.fr/sante/rougeole-u ...940_40.php

on the one hand, the WHO has lost its credibility since it is no longer funded by the founding nations but by private funds, So BP which advertises its marketing there.
Now a little calculation: 37 people on the population of Europe or about 512.6 million inhabitants that makes 0.072 death per million inhabitants. So not even 1 death in 10 million, while medical statistics are generally compiled per 100.000 inhabitants. Indeed it is a real deadly epidemic !!! In the same way counting 41.000 for 512.6 million is ridiculous when the disease normally affected almost all of the children in order to establish their immunity FOR THE WHOLE LIFE and not only for a few years for the vaccines, especially for a generally mild disease according to the admission of the health authorities. So it's a story of big money!

A little more about the drug agency in Belgium where we no longer know if we should laugh or cry! ... rather cry in fact! : Cry: : Cry: : Cry:

And while we are there an extra layer for fans of legalism
https://www.infovaccinsfrance.org/-/leg ... ccination/
too often we forget that we also have laws that protect our individual freedoms. And they are in total contradiction with the laws of obligation. On the one hand, laws of obligation, on the other, laws guaranteeing your fundamental freedoms.
What really prevails? Freedom. And if. Jurisprudence requires.
"Under the Salvetti case, there can be no compulsory medical act in any country in Europe. The decree of the European Court of Human Rights, section I of July 9, 2002, application no. 42197/98, sets a precedent. "
http://www.legavox.fr/article/imprimer. ... ticle=3692
The compulsory vaccination laws constitute an attack on physical integrity and violate all the texts which guarantee fundamental freedoms:
1. The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen / Obligatory laws are unconstitutional (August 26, 1789 and December 10, 1948)
2. The European Convention on Human Rights
(November 4 1950)
3. The French Constitution
(November 4 1958)
4. UN resolution 36-55
(November 25 1981)
5. The law on respect for the human body inserted in the Civil Code, Art. 16-1 and following (July 29, 1994)
6. The Barnier law on the precautionary principle
(February 2 1995)
7. The Code of medical ethics inserted in the Code of public health, art. R 4127-2 and R 4127-36 (September 6, 1995)
8. The European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Dignity of the Human Being with regard to the Application of Biology and Medicine: Convention on Human Rights and Biomedicine or Convention by Oviedo (April 4, 1997)
9. The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union
(December 18, 2000, s. 3)
10. The Kouchner law inserted in the public health code, Art. L 1111-4 (March 4, 2002



Reading all the laws currently in force, we can see that there is a problem. The ignorance of these laws penalizes us on a daily basis. Not to mention the propaganda and the pressure exerted on the recalcitrant. Everything is done to convince, not to question. The question remains: How to assert your rights? This document suggests giving you the keys to get there. Several approaches are possible. And one does not exclude the other, many complement each other. (….)
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by Exnihiloest » 05/01/19, 21:30

... WHO has lost its credibility ...

: Lol:
... and it has been replaced by Janicism, whose credibility is directly proportional to the volumetric mass of infused science, which is measured by the bulge of the ankles.
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by Janic » 05/01/19, 21:48

... and it has been replaced by Janicism, whose credibility is directly proportional to the volumetric mass of infused science, which is measured by the bulge of the ankles.
what is most serious: having my ankles swelling where your head. : Cheesy:
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by izentrop » 06/01/19, 13:22

No smarter than the antivax ... although if they pay well ... We can not pay enough fools ... the Darwinian selection applied to the wallet ... : Mrgreen:
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