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by izentrop » 15/12/18, 00:31

To counter disinformation and fake news circulating on the web, it is necessary to stop lecturing parents who hesitate to vaccinate their offspring.

"The very first thing to tell them is that they are good parents," said Tara Hills. Getting your kids vaccinated is a big decision. Reluctant parents are right to want to be sure. They should be encouraged to ask questions to verify the credibility of their sources of information. "

... initially, Tara Hills had no problem with vaccination. It was after the arrival of her 4th that doubts arose, fueled by rumors peddled on social media. The vaccines would make people sick, they would give autism, the public health authorities would be in the pay of a plot fomented by the pharmaceutical companies to pocket billions ...

Public health experts will be able to shout their breath, to repeat that medical vaccines are safe, that they have eliminated serious diseases such as polio, diphtheria, smallpox ... nothing helps. Doubt had entered the mind of Tara Hills. “I said to myself: there is no smoke without fire. These stories must have a background of truth… ”

For seven years, she will stop having her children vaccinated. Until in 2015, she met through a friend of Leslie Waghorn, a public health expert who runs a blog on vaccination. Ms. Waghorn is interested ... in how parents decide whether or not to vaccinate their children.

Tara immediately realizes that Leslie's approach is different. She does not try to lecture her, or even to convince her. “The first thing Leslie said to me, says Tara, is that I was a good mother. That my questions were legitimate. What a relief ! With the other provaccines, I constantly felt that I had to defend my integrity and my intelligence… ”

Encouraged by Leslie, Tara does her own research. And quickly finds, by itself, that the scientific evidence is largely in favor of vaccination. Reassured, she began to approach her doctor to have her children vaccinated as quickly as possible. Too late, they had caught whooping cough. https://www.ledroit.com/chroniques/patr ... c1d032c56d
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by Janic » 15/12/18, 10:03

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CASE COMMENT / Many parents skeptical of vaccination will recognize themselves in the story of Tara Hills, an Ottawa mother who refused to immunize her children for fear of making them sick.
Already the author of this article should know that vaccinated is not synonymous with immune ! It could be in some cases and not in others. In the great BCG era, cuti reactions… did not react precisely, so no antibodies, even after re-cuti reactions and these refractories were not excluded from families, from children's society as well as from school (the incumbent minister plays his pressure game by suggesting that unvaccinated, [*] puts the lives of others in danger and therefore that unvaccinated children must be excluded. This speech is stupid since children at risk, and therefore cannot not be vaccinated, are admitted, them, in schools).
This was the case for 7 years until someone agreed to answer patiently, and without condescension, all of the young mother's questions about vaccination.

It’s the law that imposes it, the doctor has an obligation to inform on ALL drugs offered (imposed!) to the patient and better to the healthy.
The irony of history? The day Tara Hills decides to have her offspring vaccinated, it is to realize that all her children - she was already 7 at the time - caught whooping cough. A disease practically disappeared today ... precisely because of the massive vaccination campaigns.
Ouarf! So they never consult global statistics?
Whooping cough, a disease that the majority of children used to build up their immune systems for the duration of their lives, not just for a few years.
http://initiativecitoyenne.be/2016/03/d ... rtout.html
http://initiativecitoyenne.be/article-c ... 10981.html
https://www.inserm.fr/information-en-sa ... coqueluche
https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/8891817- ... inees.html
The story, which made headlines in 2015, ended well. After treatment with antibiotics and 5 days of quarantine at home, the children recovered.

So they rediscover what all the medics of previous centuries did: quarantine and without antibiotics.
But the parents feared the worst. Pertussis, at the most critical stage of the disease, gives appalling coughs. When your 10-month-old son tears his throat out of coughing, your parent's heart twists in all directions, Tara Hills told me.

And when the child suffocates and dies AFTER a vaccine, it is much worse because he will never get over it again, nor the parents either. This is what all parents say about whose children have been victims of unnecessary and dangerous vaccinations.
Tara now has 9 children - yes, it's a full-time job, she confirms. All vaccinated. She learned from this episode. Lessons she shared with Canadian public health experts on Tuesday at a large immunization conference in Ottawa.
The vaccinating specialists of public health, it is like the pronucléaires, or the proglyphosate, they are not going to dedicate what makes the principal of their job, to protect and favor the economy, the business.
His message?
To counter disinformation and fake news circulating on the web, it is necessary to stop lecturing parents who hesitate to vaccinate their offspring.

Le good message! :
To counter disinformation and fake news circulating on the web, we must stop doing guilty parents who hesitate to have their offspring vaccinated.

"The very first thing to tell them is that they are good parents," said Tara Hills. Getting your kids vaccinated is a big decision. Reluctant parents are right to want to be sure. They should be encouraged to ask questions to verify the credibility of their sources of information.
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Well done ! You just have to really apply it, starting with themselves: get informed and not just repeat what the labs told them, without the checks applicable to ALL drugs, but to which vaccines are exempt.
Tara Hills talks about experience.
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Because at the start, Tara Hills had no problem with vaccination. It was after the arrival of her 4th that doubts arose, fueled by rumors peddled on social media. The vaccines would make people sick, they would give autism, the public health authorities would be in the pay of a plot fomented by the pharmaceutical companies to pocket billions ...

Like what the media does not say that bullshit, especially when these sources are the fact of high-level scientists, recognized by the profession and experts like Pr Exley on the alu of vaccines and therefore autism.
Public health experts will be able to shout their breath, to repeat that medical vaccines are safe, that they have eliminated serious diseases like polio, diphtheria, smallpox… nothing works. Doubt had entered the mind of Tara Hills. “I said to myself: there is no smoke without fire. These stories must have a background of truth…
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If not fakenews, what will it be? Despite the WHO report on the eradication of smallpox, by isolating the patients and not by dangerous vaccines which did not work most of the time, this fake news continues its little man by feeding the fantasies of vaccination clinicians… nothing helps!
For seven years, she will stop having her children vaccinated. Until in 2015, she met through a friend of Leslie Waghorn, a public health expert who runs a vaccination blog. Ms. Waghorn is interested ... in how parents decide whether or not to vaccinate their children.

Everything is here ! A good lady confronted with… an expert in public health (just that, or rather an expert in conditioning, impressing the good people who just don't know the subject, no more to be against than to be for !)
Tara immediately realizes that Leslie's approach is different. She does not try to lecture her, or even to convince her. “The first thing Leslie said to me, says Tara, is that I was a good mother. That my questions were legitimate. What a relief ! With the other provaccines, I constantly felt that I had to defend my integrity and my intelligence… ”

There it should always be. No pressure, especially no constraint (sorry, the minister has just done the opposite under the pretext that the coercion leads de facto to membership ... freely consented !) Like Nazism! I want my Godwin point!
Encouraged by Leslie, Tara does her own research. And quickly realizes, by itself, that scientific evidence is largely in favor of vaccination. Reassured, she began to approach her doctor to have her children vaccinated as quickly as possible. Too late, they had caught whooping cough.

Vouaouhhh! It's beautiful, it's big, it's beautiful! Where could she have had scientific proof of what has never been proven ... scientifically, precisely! We want evidence, we want evidence, we want evidence !!!!
Having become friends, Tara and Leslie want their story to make public health experts think. Tara remembers the day when she announced to her family doctor her decision not to vaccinate her children. He just nodded. "At the time, I was happy that he respected my decision. With hindsight, I would have preferred him to open a dialogue with me. Ask him to tell him about my fears ... ”

And yes, there is only dialogue!

For the anecdote, always!
During another visit by the occupational doctor, a doctor, the same as her colleague on vaccines and something unusual, she began her well-researched speech on the benefits, safety, etc. I therefore offered her a few books analyzing these words, making it clear that ALL that is written there comes from official sources.
Good, she said, I have a friend who works at the Institut Pasteur (not yet eaten by Mérieux its main competitor,) and who will tell me everything that is false in these works. So much the better, I answer him, and if he's right I change my mind.
Some time later, when I met again, I asked him: " have you read these books? Yes, but I am not convinced! So you have checked with the Pasteur Institute! No ! Why then ! I didn't have time! "Beautiful argument which underlines that her job distorted her to this point that she refuses to control statements that on the contrary could have strengthened his determination. But as she confessed to me, all the references came from recognized medical authorities in France and around the world and even if that disturbed her, it was not enough to make her change her opinion. "
In other words she wanted to believe in the official speech referring to researchers and professionals selected for their position for, but refused the same qualified for their opposite position. So it's not scientific, these are just opinions and choices.

[*] in the official speech (which constantly changes according to the wind of the ministers who follow each other) not to produce antibodies is considered to be unvaccinated ... that they confuse with unimmunized, but they are not to near semantic confusion!

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coqueluche
For the curious, this Wikipedia article which is not antivaxx shows that: "Pertussis vaccination was developed in the United States in the 1940s [ref. necessary]. In France, the first pertussis vaccine was introduced in 1959 (Vaxicoq) and vaccination was generalized From 1966 "
and what do we see on the graph? That the downward curve was plummeting in 1959 and that it continued to descend in 1966, and statistically the curve did not drop sharply with vaccination.

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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Janic » 15/12/18, 15:00

with less effort
answer following the subject on glyphosate and therefore postponed here to avoid getting out of the subject

you say that if we do the accounts, science does not have a positive balance sheet, do the account of all the people dead because of certain diseases and contrast the number of deaths by vaccination and you will see in which direction the balance will tip, the first factor of population increase is the advancement of science, if science was so bad why are we more than 6 billion?

And off we go for a ride!

You use two separate elements to make one single element.
When I say that science does not have a positive balance, I did not express it thus thus I quote myself: "This" science "whose main role is to observe, to understand, this extraordinary world around us, has turned into a machine to financialize and therefore make profitable, the technical and human resources available (....) »
I wrote "science" in quotes which does not call into question scientific research which is to observe, etc ... and therefore this science (which all those who use this term recommend to justify its use for technocratic purposes and financial, this hostage taking) was simply misappropriated and its overall balance is indeed not positive.
Japanese generals admitted that the death toll from the two bombs (which led to the immediate end to the conflict) is far less than it would have been if the conflict had lasted, so in the end, as excruciating as that may seem these 2 bombs saved lives, is it positive or negative? by retaining only the part that interests us, we reduce our field of vision.

This is indeed the case, the field of vision is often reduced to immediate, useful results, not over the long term which we ignore most of the time and which can be revealed over a much longer time, 2, 3 generations. human or even much more. It's called revenge which has resulted in an economic war, which has made and continues to make, lots of victims today!
Certainly there would probably have been more deaths in classical war, but what differs here it is the massacre of the civilian population: women, children, animals, vegetation by a nation which justly recommends its “superior” civilization [*]
currently religion is resurfacing, so to take down this all powerful science, it is necessary to create doubt, and the old methods always make recipe, the belief having no need of proofs it can allow one I think, then one I believe, then one I am convinced to finish by one you see

Science with a big S has always been a spiritual goal over the centuries. Now religions are systems, not references, any more than an atheistic discourse is the reference of la Science, either. Between a one-eyed man in the right eye and a one-eyed man in the left eye: where is the difference? Regarding vaccines, you align well with your formulation: "belief (in vaccination) having no need for evidence, it can afford an I think, then I believe, then I am convinced to end up with a you see" you see! : Cheesy: Marisol Touraine (who does not know anything about this subject) said: "vaccination cannot be discussed"side dogma difficult to do better and the next one is worse.
what do we ask medicine (a science taken at random) currently to cure more and more sick people, you talk about vaccination, yes vaccines claim victims[*], but they avoid how many deaths,

Precisely, give concrete figures, not presuppositions. There are official statistics sufficient since the 19th century to establish comparisons for France (since we live there) and the rest of the world.
you make the choice not to get vaccinated and you become a healthy carrier and spread a disease, you make a personal choice but which engages the others, so for me it is showing self-centeredness,

I demonstrated, figures in hand, that this notion of propagation was wrong and unverified in the real world, not in labs!
Like the H1N1, the H5N1 which made people laugh, yellow, the whole of France and which endures with the others!

EGOCENTRISM, noun. masc.
PSYCHOL. and LANG. CULTIVATED. Deformation of the ego, involuntary and unconscious, consisting in considering the point of view or the interest of others only from one's own

It's weird I notice the impression that it was just the opposite of what you say.
Wouldn't the current interest be that industries producers, vaccines, diapers or even paper clips, no matter which product?
I was one of those sheep who say gaped at all that roars wolves and life has decided otherwise by rethinking most of the dogmas that are only for the benefit of wolves. (Reread the wolf and the lamb of the fountain!)
From then on I became selfish, not self-absorbed, thinking first to those for whom I have the responsibility to know me, my family, my friends and relations by placing them in front of the reality of the phenomenon and not to swallow all believed the beautiful reassuring speeches of those who live by it ... well, very well even. (24% of Sanofi net profits distributed to shareholders exclusively).
in some countries vaccination saves lives every day, should we also question it here, to fight against the medical lobby?
Be specific! What countries: what figures before and after! Evidence! Official bodies keep statistics (our main reference) with comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated, otherwise it's brain stuffing. Where's the evidence?
Take the example of polio where the specific paralysis of this disease has been transferred to another paralysis following vaccines that is PFA. Moving a situation from left to right: where is the advantage, the real benefit? See also the increasing number of cancers, autisms (cold diseases) and other autoimmune diseases replacing the eruptive diseases (fever diseases)

So more confusion! Fear and emotion are not good counselors. The pro-sciences constantly recommend this one, but humanly they react according to their emotions and the stuffing of skull which accompanies their fears, as you do it (it is not a reproach, nor an accusation, me so I naively believed it)
So as a good scientist brings incontestable proofs, not presuppositions, even lies which serve to reassure frightened populations and whose fear is carefully maintained and there, only there, by vaccine lobbies (not medical because not all doctors are fans of these vaccinations while practicing their job which uses big pharma products)

[*] the minister in office, official voice, says no! Who should we believe?
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Pinned by AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
6 months ago (changed)
For those who would like to jump directly to the parts that deal with aluminum:
1:03:05 General information on vaccine aluminum
1:30:45 Additional information and (temporary) conclusion on the use of aluminum in vaccines
For further :

On infectious diseases and vaccines
https://www.mesvaccins.net/
http://www.vaccination-info-service.fr/
http://www.who.int/

To understand the controversies
http://rougeole-epidemiologie.overblog.com
http://lepharmachien.com/
http://chevrepensante.fr/
http://www.pearltrees.com/monderiant/va ... 97946#l285

In videos
A bit pointed https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj2sb4 ... pW-1AQ6Qhw
Asclepius https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDqEtt ... eC05HRPPDQ
Mental hygiene https://www.youtube.com/user/fauxsceptique
La Tronche in Bias https://www.youtube.com/user/TroncheEnBiais
Statistics explained to my cat https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWty1t ... Sp5GVGteaA
Polio vaccine video


Various sources used for this conference:

On the different vaccines and how they work:
http://lepharmachien.com/
https://www.mesvaccins.net/
http://www.who.int/immunization/documen ... nology.pdf

On the manufacture and control of vaccines:
http://www.vaccination-info-service.fr/ ... s#section5
http://www.sanofipasteur.ca/ckfinder/us ... /Pages.pdf

Smallpox:
https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/pdfs/small ... on-map.pdf

Tetanus:
http://www.vaccination-info-service.fr/ ... ns/Tetanos
http://invs.santepubliquefrance.fr/

Measles:
http://invs.santepubliquefrance.fr/Doss ... -aout-2017
http://opac.invs.sante.fr/doc_num.php?explnum_id=5900
http://sas.santepubliquefrance.fr/SASSt ... le/accueil
General Non-specific Morbidity is Reduced After Vaccination Within the Third Month of Life - the Greifswald Study S. Otto *, B. Mahner, I. Kadow, JF Beck, SKW Wiersbitzky and R. Bruns. Journal of Infection (2000) 41, 172–175 doi: 10.1053 / jinf.2000.0718, available online at http://www.idealibrary.com
Long-term measles-induced immunomodulation increases overall childhood infectious disease mortality Michael J. Mina, 1,2 * C. Jessica E. Metcalf, 1,3 Rik L. de Swart, 4 ADME Osterhaus, 4 Bryan T. Grenfell1,3 24 November 2014; accepted 1 April 2015 10.1126 / science.aaa3662

Study on distrust of vaccines:
JUNE 2015 • BIOFUTUR 366 Pierre Verger *, ** and Patrick Peretti-Watel * and all the associated bibliography
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Continuation of the links:
The Wakefield case:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance ... 40-6736(97) 11096-0 / abstract
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5258
http://briandeer.com/wakefield/vaccine-patent.htm
http://briandeer.com/solved/gmc-charge-sheet.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ck-off-gmc

Aluminum and vaccination
https://www.nature.com/articles/icb200476.pdf
http://rougeole-epidemiologie.overblog. ... tudes.html

Analysis of the publication of Exley discussed at the end (in English, hence the addition at the end of the video for information in French):
Article detailing the various method concerns, long but very complete: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skeptic ... -aluminum/
Article with a similar approach, a little shorter: https://respectfulinsolence.com/2017/11 ... -vaccines/
Very technical article on the microscopy method used: https://scientistabe.wordpress.com/2017 ... -aluminum/

Vaccine safety
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/Plan_ ... T.pdf?ua=1

Newborn immune system and:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... 02.02802.x
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Pinned by AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
allegedly scientific only. Real scientific information must inform about everything that concerns a subject and not only what supports a particular discourse, this has already been seen and reviewed.
AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
6 months ago (changed)
For those who would like to jump directly to the parts that deal with aluminum:
1:03:05 General information on vaccine aluminum
1:30:45 Additional information and (temporary) conclusion on the use of aluminum in vaccines

For further :


all these sites are only marketing, to support a pseudo scientific belief, not indisputable serious studies

Only interesting aspects

For those who would like to jump directly to the parts that deal with aluminum:
1:03:05 General information on vaccine aluminum
1:30:45 Additional information and (temporary) conclusion on the use of aluminum in vaccines


Same thing, it would be necessary to decipher his speech point after point.
For example in the final speech on aluminum where it states (not only supposes) that Aluminum hydroxide is the only adjuvant available, it is to forget that calcium phosphate was used by the Institut pasteur (before to be absorbed by Mérieux who used aluminum hydroxide on its production lines) without problems and that he can immediately replace the hydroxide since his authorization has been granted and remains valid. It is therefore not a question of the biological value of the products, but only a financial question since the hydroxide is cheaper (not more efficient)
https://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/wp ... accins.pdf

Same thing concerning the case of DTP and its manufacture where it is confused and seeks to justify a financial choice and not a biological choice and everything is in favor even if some of its reflections are to be taken into account.
So, it is indeed an additional brainwashing where she defends her belief (which is legitimate) but not scientifically credible since she issues a personal opinion, in a one-way speech (this is not not a debate obviously) without confrontation with a qualified professional not adhering to his speech, which is just as valid for a speech questioning vaccines, without debate either.
So it is argument against argument and not facts against facts.
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Janic wrote:
Pinned by AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
allegedly scientific only.
And blah blah, the reaction of the basic plotter. : Mrgreen:
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allegedly scientific only.

And blah blah, the reaction of the basic plotter.
the blah blah of an alleged scientist.
To become credible, these so-called scientists should practice what they ask others to do, ie present evidence and not just reports, all prepared by industrialists who are both judges and parties at the same time. Even more need that provaccines need to declare themselves without conflict of interest since this is already done from the start.
After the "accomplices", voluntary or not, are aware of it, that's another matter! listening really all the blah blah of this lady and it then appears obvious.
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izentrop wrote:
Janic wrote:
Pinned by AFIS - French Association for Scientific Information
allegedly scientific only.
And blah blah, the reaction of the basic plotter. : Mrgreen:

Of course vaccination is vital today and AFIS is respectable, see its members.

Courage Izentrop, in your fight against anti-vaccination oburantism and the infused science of its followers who are keen on the return of epidemics!
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And blah blah, the reaction of the basic plotter.

Of course, vaccination is vital today and AFIS is respectable, see its members.

Vaccination is indeed vital ... for all those who live on it, as for any business. But business and science are not synonyms, hence the need to base its opinions on indisputable evidence… Which are absent and which you take care not to bring despite many incentives. You and your friend are animated by the same religious fanaticism as your predecessors.
For AFIS and therefore Pseudoscience, my opinion concerns the subject examined not the rest and all committees are always respectable ... for their members, of course.

Courage Izentrop, in your fight against obscurantism and the infused science of its followers who are keen on the return of epidemics!

For obscurantism look at yourself in a mirror

For progressive intellectual and political currents, heirs to the philosophy of the Enlightenment, obscurantism is an attitude of opposition to diffusion Knowledge, In any domain.

So you didn't understand anything in the sense of the term. It is not a question here of opposition to knowledge, but on the contrary that ALL that concerns knowledge on a subject is put in comparison. And after each makes its choice!
For anti-vaccination? A fantasy of provaccinators, therefore one more lie.
Again be anti, as it says, is to be opposed to, against, Something. However, none of the personal non-vaccination specialists are opposed to vaccinations, respecting, EUX, the right of personal choice to be vaccinated or not.
When to wish the return of epidemics, except for an absurd unfounded and imbecile accusation: where is the evidence, once again!
Official statistics cannot demonstrate it, nor prove it, so stop your obscurantisms or prove it!
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