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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Exnihiloest » 06/12/18, 15:57

This reality of the danger of aluminum has been known for a long time:
https://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/ap ... ntifiques/

Even if aluminum should be eliminated from vaccines as promised, the benefit / risk balance is very much in favor of vaccination. And that is what counts in priority, except if one prefers to make many deaths without vaccine rather than little with, what seems to be the option of Janic.
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by Janic » 06/12/18, 17:16

This reality of the danger of aluminum has been known for a long time:

https://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/ap ... specific /

Too easy to copy and paste, currently. What you forget, voluntarily or not, is the speech of the Minister of Health who represents the official voice on the subject (despite her obvious ignorance elsewhere) and who announces in parliament that aluminum is used as an adjuvant for 90 years without problem. Unaware, probably, that the aluminum adjuvant has only been used for around thirty years, and it is the official voice that wants to reassure the populations.

For your culture you should listen In totality what Exley says in the documentaries indicated and particularly on the cited reports of the WHO.

Even if aluminum should be eliminated from vaccines as promised, the benefit / risk balance is very much in favor of vaccination.
To say there is an advantage in favor of vaccination or something else, you have to provide hard evidence, not wishful thinking. WHERE ARE THESE INDEPENDENT EVIDENCE IN QUESTION? Nowhere and you refrained from bringing any.
And that is what counts in priority, except if one prefers to make many deaths without vaccine rather than little with, what seems to be the option of Janic.
Again and again the same speech without evidence because a mantra is not scientific evidence.
For clarification on your fixation on my person, I am not scientifically concerned, it is these (in their speeches and studies) that must be heard and then make your choice.
Nobody forbids you to believe the speeches of a few to reassure you.
Again you confuse promised and examined. No study is currently done since no credit is allocated for this.
“The HCSP believes that the scientific data available to date does not allow to question the safety of aluminum-containing vaccines, in terms of their benefit / risk balance. It recommends continuing vaccinations in accordance with the current vaccination calendar and warns of the consequences, in terms of the recurrence of infectious diseases, that could have a drop in vaccination coverage resulting from a questioning of vaccines containing aluminum in the absence of scientific justification. In addition, the HCSP encourages further research aimed at assessing the safety of available and developing adjuvants. »
As Exley points out, it is strange that the only world specialist on the subject, was not even asked by WHO to give his opinion as a real expert, but that on the other hand all the "experts" consulted were in conflict of interest with vaccine manufacturing companies .... by chance! : roll:
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by Exnihiloest » 06/12/18, 18:32

"the aluminum adjuvant has only been used for about thirty years": it does not change anything in substance, it is not an objection to what I wrote.
"Too easy to copy and paste" : roll: : reproaches for doing what he himself does all the time, let's add to that flooding, digressions, selection bias, quibbles, inability to synthesize, troll delusions.
It becomes painful. If it weren't for the consequences of this anti-vaccination obscurantism and misinformation, which is even starting to cause a resurgence of illness and death in France, I would have thrown in the towel.
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by Janic » 06/12/18, 19:40

"the aluminum adjuvant has only been used for about thirty years": it does not change anything in substance, it is not an objection to what I wrote.
It's not what you write, out of ignorance or a desire not to know. which is questionable in itself. It is the official political discourse that is untrue and that individuals like you take up the urge and therefore seek to give credibility to what is denied and disputed by real independent scientists.
"Too easy to copy paste": reproaches for doing what he himself does all the time, add to that flooding, digressions, selection bias, quibbles, inability to synthesize, trollsque delusions.
It's funny, it looks like a priest from the middle ages who casts anathema on everything that questions his Catholic faith.
A text has value only if it is not cut off from its dispute and therefore from all that is expressed and therefore: Too easy to copy and paste, CURRENTLY.
Your fellows have only denigrated and challenged the work on the toxicity of aluminum for biological use and all of a sudden, they discover that this was indeed the case and they suddenly stand up for what they have spent their time fighting: weather vane effect?
It becomes painful.
Yes it becomes painful such bad faith and its "lies"
If it weren't for the consequences of this obscurantism of anti-vaccination and this disinformation, which is even starting in France to cause a resurgence of illness and death, I would have thrown in the towel.
Stop making your cinema as if repeating this mantra could give it any credit. disinformation comes from labs that think only of business and the billions it brings in.
Failure to vaccinate has never led to renewed illnesses, as shown by the statistical curves (where are tes evidence?) on the other hand vaccinations have favored the development of autoimmune diseases which worry more and more scientists and the resurgence of benign pathologies in very serious pathologies as for measles.
As shown earlier, mortality from measles (which is the subject of vaccination campaigns) has decreased by more than 99% BEFORE vaccinations and other pathologies have followed the same regression BEFORE compulsory vaccinations or not therefore they do not have not been used to reduce mortality or caused an increase in mortality. (if not prove your words, you who likes to rehash this word that you don't even respect yourself!)
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by Janic » 07/12/18, 08:53

HIV vaccination on track https://trustmyscience.com/nouvelle-str ... over-mouse

on the right track as usual because the publicity effects it has been coming out for decades and which messed up like the others.
many scientists recognize that the mouse is not a model applicable to humans, otherwise all their diseases would be transmissible to us and vice versa too.

You and your fellows are like kids who want to believe in the marvelous and who wake up one day to realize that all this was wind, lies. Starting with the stuffing of a skull on a god of love, but who would allow suffering and death of innocent little children (on the understanding that adults are not!)
Another myth and a falling illusion! Followed by the other wonderful, the extraordinary Santa Claus who loves him, at least, small children by making them these gifts (chick among the poor, sumptuous among the rich, he would need better glasses because it is the 'reverse which should be), but on condition of having been very wise, of having obeyed their parents until they, the children, realize that Santa Claus is also a lie of more, coming from their referents in terms of truth: his parents!
Going into adolescence, he begins to believe in other wonderful, the barbies, the sleeping beauty, the comic book heroes, the Harry Potter and company, the Marvel of all kinds and of course the war games that kill , kill, kill, bad guys of all kinds and of course a bit of biology where the death game continues with bad viruses, bacteria and other bad guys of another kind, which must be destroyed with violence, of course, like real adult death games. (and one more Golwin point, for my collection! : Cheesy: )
And the minds of these kids are ripe to believe (disappointed by what preceded) in another hero called LA science, who can do all these expected miracles by fleeing diseases with his miraculous vaccines, which cured all sick by his miracle drugs too, which invents every day the means of living older, healthier (even if there have never been so many patients on treatments who are only as effective as the pretension of the to be and that the old people are stuffed with medocs so as not to snap).
But that's the human, a big kid who sees the real state of the world and takes refuge in an artificial world, who refuses the reality of the world and who prefers reassuring lies to the truth of such a difficult world to accept. : Cry:
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by izentrop » 08/12/18, 04:00

Largest chickenpox outbreak in community against vaccination https://trustmyscience.com/la-plus-gran ... ccination/
A large outbreak of chickenpox has appeared in a school in the United States, the majority of the parents of the students being against vaccination. The incident is considered the largest epidemic since the varicella vaccine was introduced about 20 years ago, and could reopen the debate over the non-mandatory immunization in some regions.

In North Carolina, the majority of schools require parents to vaccinate their children against most important diseases, such as chickenpox, tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough.

But in some private schools in the state, this is optional in the case of religious reasons or by the advice of a doctor, as at the Asheville Waldorf school, where more than 110 pupils out of 152 are not immunized against chickenpox. However, this choice could now be questioned.

More than 36 cases of infections of this disease were reported last week in the establishment. Caused by a virus, chickenpox causes skin rashes and severe itching all over the body. It particularly affects children, and is considered to be mild if they do not present other complications in their health.

However, it is much more dangerous if it affects an adult, because it can cause encephalitis, as well as neurological and pulmonary disorders.
It is very often the problem of antivaccines: religion rather than science ... what heresy : Mrgreen:
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by Janic » 08/12/18, 08:39

More than 36 cases of infections of this disease were reported last week in the establishment. Caused by a virus, chickenpox causes skin rashes and severe itching all over the body. It particularly affects children, and is considered to be mild if they have no other health complications.
Do you still have difficulties with reading French? You must ignore what the word benign means.
However, it is much more dangerous if it affects an adult, since it can cause encephalitis, as well as neurological and pulmonary disorders.
Has it affected adults?
another aspect:
But in some private schools in the state, this is optional in the case of religious reasons or by the advice of a doctor, as in the Asheville Waldorf school, where more than 110 pupils out of 152 are not immune against chickenpox. However, this choice could now be questioned.
scientifically: vaccinated and immunized are not synonyms, as the medical profession recognizes. Now out of the 42 "immune" (sic) how many were affected by chickenpox ... benign!
Indeed, before vaccination this rash disease affected the majority of children which immunized them definitively, for life, and therefore they would run no risk as adults. The supposed vaccine protection does not fulfill this role and therefore adults who are "vaccinated" become sick in a much more serious way.
In other words:
Cum hoc ergo propter hoc ... In other words: Correlation is not causation.
It is very often the problem of antivaccines: religion rather than science ... what heresy
Especially what stupidity and ignorance combined. What is generally called antivaccines is nothing more than a brainwashing coming from pharmaceutical lobbies by health authorities. Where are your proofs of this double assertion?
I know that you are a hypochondriac and that to strengthen yourself in your psychological illness, you need to find a lot of ways to avoid being contaminated by the little stupids that are microbes. It does not mean that the rest of the population looks like you and being for or against vaccines is not science but fear or confidence in this or that procedure. So do not invoke science all the time especially when you know so little, if at all, the subject in question.
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by Exnihiloest » 09/12/18, 20:38

Janic wrote:
HIV vaccination on track https://trustmyscience.com/nouvelle-str ... over-mouse

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You and your fellows are like kids ...

"In an argument, the ad personam argument refers to a personal attack made by one of the parties to the opposing party unrelated to the substance of the debate.
...
"If we realize that the opponent is superior and that we are not going to win, we have to make derogatory, hurtful and rude comments. "
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_personam

We have therefore understood who is lower in this exchange.
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Re: France is one of the worst European pupils in terms of vaccination.




by izentrop » 10/12/18, 00:40

It is not so much a story of "superiority" as repeated proof of the effectiveness of vaccination against obstinate denial of lies.
For my part I only report the vaccine news while avoiding controversy, what our "friend" tries to destroy with a lot of blah blah without interest, endlessly and especially without any argument that could contradict the observed facts.
27 pages of ping pong, but I can't pass up such lies. :)
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