Food and hunger: the dead of junk food and malnutrition

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Re: Food and hunger: morbid junk food and malnutrition




by Ahmed » 01/08/18, 12:31

The ideology of progress is nevertheless a reality and far from containing everything and its opposite, it represents a rather unified vision that may have manifested in forms that have been judged, a little too quickly, opposed, whereas they were only competitors.

I do not understand your easy irony about our supposed positioning vis-à-vis the appetites of China: it is a classic mimetic rivalry, but with unprecedented dimensions and therefore better be limited to an analysis the more objective possible. Sometimes a drop of water overflows, but here it is a new ocean that will break the previous balances and accelerate mutations (I say mutations, but it may be much less innocuous than this term can suggest it).
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by Janic » 01/08/18, 13:31

Well, mechanization and fertilizers (after the XIIIth World War in Europe) have increased productivity and yields, have lowered prices (making products accessible to the greatest number), greatly improving the lives of farmers (new concept) and farm workers; Do you want to complain?

You are right if you only look at the present moment. Hydrocarbons have also improved the life of some populations and at that time we only saw its advantages, but a century later we realize that when there is pile there is also face and therefore its setbacks like pollution , the warming, the increase of the diseases of civilization, etc ... and the agriculture followed the movement and there are also more suicides in this environment like patients of the use of the chemicals. You can not have butter and pie at the same time.
And, yes, the corollary is that there has been, as in any process of industrialization, an accumulation of capital, with all that accompanies it: circuits of realization of surplus-value and renewal of this capital, desertification campaigns, radical change of lifestyles ... But also access of the greatest number to a sufficient food and an improvement of the conditions of life ... Do you want to complain about it? There are regrettable counterparties? Yes, without a doubt, but it is up to us to remove the essential (even if IT REMAINS FOR THE MOMENT A VIEU PIEUX), your trap being only that which one built or tolerated ...
You are right on these points for the most part. In medicine this is called the risk / benefit ratio, but as in this environment with accumulation of capital (the drug industry is more than 1.000 billion per year and similarly for agrochemistry
https://fr.statista.com/statistiques/56 ... ues-monde/
are the benefits really higher than the risks?

The increase in life expectancy is mainly related to the improvement of living and eating conditions (which brings us back to the previous point), as well as to drugs and medicine (tuberculosis has decreased well before invention of antibiotics and sulfonamides, which only completed the decay);
Tuberculosis was related to lifestyle and was found to be major in areas where alcoholism was most prevalent. The table wine of our elders has been replaced, for the most part, by drinking water, which makes a huge difference.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/pop_0032-4663 ... m_9_1_3409

as for your "Darwinian selection", allow me to smile about it: your "robust" peasants would die before the age of 60, and their surviving children dragged the consequences of childhood accidents and illnesses all their lives.


This is largely false. In fact, the peasants, as well as the rest of the population, are not statistical averages which are given to us as references. [*] For children, I visited, there is more 50 years ago, the deep Brittany where alcohol consumption was common (largely spent by their physical efforts,) but especially the children came from cousinages to not not lose their property from the soil and inheritance, and there I was surprised by the high number (in the same extended family,) of the number of victims of alcohol and consanguinity.
Today, we die more of cancer or heart disease because we live long enough to be affected; the difference is a life (which interests a number of people) ...

Still so fake!
Cancers are affecting infant populations more and more frequently, especially since the beginning of the nineteenth century.
So let the blind people take a long look at the hazy theories that you are developing for us here. I'd rather die of cancer at 80 than from "healthy eating" at 40 ... but I'm probably wrong ...

Except that, statistically, it is around 40 years that these pathologies are the most numerous and decrease with age as cell division is slowed down and the energy required for the development of tumors decreases. with age. Consult the figures of INVS or INSERM.
Finally, not damaged products are not an invention of agro-chemistry (whatever its faults) and gray bread, war as peace, was only the product of what was available, not what which one chose;

Still wrong! White flour, that is to say after a strong blutage, exists since the highest antiquity and it was, and remains currently, easy to obtain by sieving. But observation and common sense quickly show that these incomplete products are less nutritious and especially in populations where bread was the most consumed product daily.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/rural_0014-21 ... _58_1_2019
the farmer knows how to make a difference.
the populations were not "robust", but very fragile on the contrary, and the lifestyles of the peasants and agricultural workers very close to what was called poverty ... But where are you going to invent everything you come to tell here ?

Here again we must get out of the clichés. Farm populations have always been at the forefront of the first consumers of their products. On the other hand, misery, due to the exploitation of these populations by the nobility and the merchant industry has been and reste encore a drama. This misery, however, was important in cities dependent on these basic agricultural supplies and the situation became dramatic, especially with hygienic conditions that we can hardly imagine, but not so much in the countryside, more "Airy".
Indeed, humanity has lived without industry, without fridge, and without eating at its end every day; and is not dead ...

Again, do not give in clichés. It is believed that eating one's hunger is to take as a model cliche, the pleasures of the rich
As it has happened from the internet, and talkative that rage on the forums, via IT, a network and big data running on nuclear electricity and coal.

That's right, we are in this system and we are satisfied with it because we only want to see the benefits without analyzing the disadvantages to their just dimensions.
No doubt it is very true, but the frantic race for production already existed; the big difference is that it was for little results ...
Not really! Farmers produced according to their needs and the surplus being minted to nearby towns and villages in markets.

PS I never take the metro, and especially not at rush hours or against the meaning ... Question of choice of life ...

Yes, each of us is here! It turns out that I was OBLIGED for questions of work to find me at these peak hours and even without wanting to go upstream, it is even impossible to stop. But it was an allegory of this societal system in which a large part of us is.

[*] we forget too easily that the great periods of famine, famines, (except climatic conditions as currently) were related to the incessant wars and looting that accompanied them and the mortality was also strongly linked to these young people sent to slaughterhouse , which drastically lowered these statistical averages. As for the infantile diseases, they were, again especially related to the lifestyles of the cities with catastrophic hygiene conditions. The statistical curves show that from the beginning of the 19 ° century to the present day, with the improvement of the hygienic conditions of the populations, the pathologies fall suddenly.
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Re: Food and hunger: morbid junk food and malnutrition




by sen-no-sen » 08/09/18, 19:03

Coca-Cola bypasses the soda tax by reducing the size of its bottles

To replicate the soda tax without changing its recipe or increase the price for the consumer, Coca-Cola reduced the size of its bottles and made a small profit in passing ...

Coming into force in 2012, the soda tax was strengthened at 1er July 2018. Fixed for almost six years, it is now indexed to the sugar content in beverages. To pass the price increase induced - ten cents, according to Libération - the brand has reduced the size of its bottles by selling them at the same price.

A method better known under the term "downsizing". Result: the 2-liter and 1,5-liter bottles have indeed experienced a small slimming cure by being replaced by 1,75 and 1,25 liter bottles.

"The cohabitation is almost embarrassing. For a few days, the new formats of Coca-Cola have been established alongside the old ones. With price differences per liter which challenge", detailed in mid-July the specialized site Rayon-Boissons. Some of its competitors, such as Lipton or Breizh Cola, have however made the effort to reduce the proportion of sugar present in their drink.

"AN OPPORTUNITY EFFECT"

The strengthening of the soda tax is not the only reason for this change of packaging. "The 1,5 liter bottle was around 1,40 euro. The 1,25 liter bottle is now between 1,4 and 1,49 euro. If we look at the price per liter, it has increased by 20% About half due to the soda tax, half to an opportunity effect ", explained to Liberation Olivier Dauvers, expert in mass distribution.

When questioned by BFM TV, Coca Cola argued that the resale prices of its products are set by the supermarkets themselves. As for these major changes? They respond to "changing consumer expectations".

While the American brand has suffered in recent years changes in consumption habits unfavorable to sweetened beverages, the company managed to increase its volume sales by 3% in the first quarter (+ 4% for sodas, + 3% for juices, dairy and herbal products, + 1% for sports water and drinks, + 5% for teas and coffees).

The company attributes the increase in sales in part to "an acceleration in smaller, ready-to-eat containers."


http://www.nicematin.com/economie/coca-cola-contourne-la-taxe-soda-en-reduisant-la-taille-de-ses-bouteilles-257860
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Re: Food and hunger: morbid junk food and malnutrition




by perseus » 08/09/18, 22:12

Hello,

Not very surprising. I have little affection for the box and even less for the drink.

But hey, behavioral taxation is an excellent illustration of the proverb "hell is paved with good intentions".
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Re: Food and hunger: morbid junk food and malnutrition




by izentrop » 03/01/19, 18:09

A former salesperson who has a book for sale. : Mrgreen:
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Re: Food and hunger: morbid junk food and malnutrition




by Ahmed » 03/01/19, 18:51

An excellent proverb * proclaims: "By dint of eating shit, we end up looking like!

* The proof: it's me! : Mrgreen:
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by izentrop » 03/01/19, 23:08

Ahmed, do not do your JP Koff : Mrgreen:

The guy is not his first book of its kind, Ania had already decrypted an article of the Point on his first dish towel
"That honey that is not. Companies make "honey". It is almost undetectable if they respect the natural glucose / fructose ratios, adding the right dose of the right pollen, the right color and the good aroma. "
> FALSE

Honey, by definition is a totally natural product. According to the definition of 2003-587, "honey is a natural sweet substance produced by bees". To be called honey, honey must not have been added to any substance and nothing must have been removed. Food additives are also prohibited. Only the mixture with another honey is allowed.

"The case of horsemeat in lasagna shows that there is a change. "
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Following the horse meat fraud, the French food industry has drawn up a charter against the fraud of the species of meat. The fight against fraud is a major challenge for food companies in France to ensure an optimal level of safety and quality of their products, and thus maintain the confidence of their consumers. In 2015, this tool has been developed for all types of food raw materials in order to give businesses the keys to better prevent fraud. This document recalls the rules applicable to the operators of the chain, listing all the parameters to be taken into account to carry out a fraud risk analysis and put in place a reinforced control, and proposes measures to reinforce the control procedures of the goods.

National sectoral federations are working on complementary means such as the development of a reference database for a faster and more reliable assessment of the authenticity of products.

The European Commission and the Member States are mobilizing to finalize a European network, similar to that existing for health alerts (RASFF). And a vast European research project FoodIntegrity, funded by the European Commission is in progress.

"These hidden additives. These additives are called processing aids and do not have to appear on the list of ingredients. Industrialists do not hesitate to add discreetly. "
> FALSE

The European regulation defines on the one hand what is a technological auxiliary, on the other hand what an additive is. A technological aid is not an additive. Additives and processing aids must all be on lists established by European or national regulations (Regulation No. 1333-2008 and 19 Decree October 2006). According to the 1169 / 2011 Consumer Information Regulation, unless it contains allergens, a technological aid must not be labeled in the list of ingredients because it is no longer present in the food after its receipt. manufacturing.

All food additives used by an industrialist are mentioned on the label, the regulation leaves the operator the freedom to indicate the number E or the name of the food additive in the list of ingredients. https://www.ania.net/alimentation-sante ... e-du-point
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by Christophe » 08/03/19, 17:20

The founder of Auchan defends permaculture to counter junk food!

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by Janic » 08/03/19, 20:45

Honey, by definition is a totally natural product. According to the definition of 2003-587, "honey is a natural sweet substance produced by bees". To be called honey, honey must not have been added to any substance and nothing must have been removed. Food additives are also prohibited. Only the mixture with another honey is allowed.
except that what the law does not prohibit, it is the feeding of the bees with industrial sugars as their reserves necessary to pass the winter they have been entirely removed and thus all possible additives can be added BEFORE consumption. All serious breeders know it and complain about it and it will not be detected in honey then made by bees.
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