What is money?

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Re: What is money?




by Grelinette » 25/12/19, 15:08

Money is the main resource of the Great Game of Human Societies, the only rule of which is to accumulate as much as possible, as quickly as possible, by all means, and taking it from everyone you can. . : Cheesy:
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by GuyGadebois » 25/12/19, 18:20

Grelinette wrote:Money is the main resource of the Great Game of Human Societies, the only rule of which is to accumulate as much as possible, as quickly as possible, by all means, and taking it from everyone you can. . : Cheesy:
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Those who aspire the most money are not part of the human societies to which we belong (us "normal" people), they are part of private societies (of humanity).
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Re: What is money?




by Christophe » 26/12/19, 05:40

sen-no-sen wrote:Money is a symbolic representation of energy.
The more money an individual has, the greater their capacity to act on the anthropotechnical environment. It is for this reason that despite all the evils that this term inspires, everyone always wants more.
In a society founded on the continual increase in energy dissipation, money ensures domination and imposes itself as an omnipotent force.


Very good subject opening! Human work ... it's energy!
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by Grelinette » 26/12/19, 10:27

Don't you think that rather than looking for a "technical" definition of the word or concept "Money", isn't it wiser to think about the effects and consequences of "Money" on the human being?

Give a "technical" answer to the question "What is money?" is necessarily "esoteric" in the sense that this definition is based on a frame of reference or a paradigm learned and understood by some and not by others, and will therefore be understood and accepted only by initiates.
Consequently, all streams of ideas can build and give their personalized response and their definition will therefore be true for them, false for others.

These differences in points of view no doubt partly explain the current misunderstandings and oppositions which crystallize in sterile and interminable conflicts, be it pensions, growth, the economy, globalization, ecology, wealth, poverty, technology, etc, make it all the notions specific to men.

At the extreme, one can almost conclude that currently (a finding specific to our time, we hope), the "diversity" (of human thoughts) is a source of disagreement ... although an optimistic proverb says to the contrary that "From discussion comes light" ...
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by Grelinette » 26/12/19, 10:32

GuyGadebois wrote:
Grelinette wrote:Money is the main resource of the Great Game of Human Societies, the only rule of which is to accumulate as much as possible, as quickly as possible, by all means, and taking it from everyone you can. . : Cheesy:
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Those who aspire the most money are not part of the human societies to which we belong (us "normal" people), they are part of private societies (of humanity).

GuyGadebois, your comment is close to the Borders of the Real: for lack of being able to recognize "ceux"who aspire (to) more money, we are obliged to recognize that they are numerous and among us ... as would have said Fox Mulder of the series X-Files !
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by GuyGadebois » 26/12/19, 12:28

Grelinette wrote:
GuyGadebois wrote:
Grelinette wrote:Money is the main resource of the Great Game of Human Societies, the only rule of which is to accumulate as much as possible, as quickly as possible, by all means, and taking it from everyone you can. . : Cheesy:
(copyright Grelinette)

Those who aspire the most money are not part of the human societies to which we belong (us "normal" people), they are part of private societies (of humanity).

GuyGadebois, your comment is close to the Borders of the Real: for lack of being able to recognize "ceux"who aspire (to) more money, we are obliged to recognize that they are numerous and among us ... as would have said Fox Mulder of the series X-Files !

In our reality, certain borders are blurred!
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by Christophe » 26/12/19, 14:43

Grelinette wrote:Don't you think that rather than looking for a "technical" definition of the word or concept "Money", isn't it wiser to think about the effects and consequences of "Money" on the human being?


Yes, but it's a whole different debate!

I was a little interested in what "does not hold by the c ** iles" almost all our life a few years ago:

https://www.econologie.com/travail-bonh ... ie-argent/

https://www.econologie.com/telechargeme ... -bendahan/

One of the most interesting work was this ... look at



ps: heard on the radio by I do not know what author about "always more pensions" ...

The problem with man is that from a moment of wealth, he no longer earns money to support himself but simply to make others see it (crush psychology?) ... neighbor, family ...
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by dede2002 » 28/12/19, 19:29

Christophe wrote:
sen-no-sen wrote:Money is a symbolic representation of energy.
The more money an individual has, the greater their capacity to act on the anthropotechnical environment. It is for this reason that despite all the evils that this term inspires, everyone always wants more.
In a society founded on the continual increase in energy dissipation, money ensures domination and imposes itself as an omnipotent force.


Very good subject opening! Human work ... it's energy!


I do not understand very well. Human labor is very little energy, machines, trains, planes, supertankers do not work with oars or pedals?
Human wages are used to dissipate energy, ok, and credit is used to dissipate energy in advance, ok, but it is not those who work more who earn more, or who dissipate more energy... :?:

But why in French money has the same name as a metal, while in English it is called "money", and why the "exchange rate" means that many work for almost nothing while others who have a lot more, want more?

Also, how to explain that the CFA franc, which concerns almost all "independent" French-speaking African countries, initially based on the French franc, and which was arbitrarily devalued by 200% shortly before the arrival of the Euro, that is to say now pegged to the Euro :?: :?:
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by GuyGadebois » 28/12/19, 20:55

Money (money) is something whose value is arbitrary and which is worthless in times of crisis. By cons silver (metal), gold, platinum and its derivatives do not lose their value and the worse it goes, the more expensive it is. Afterwards, we cannot feed on one or the other. : Cheesy:
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by Ahmed » 28/12/19, 22:30

Dede2002, you ask:
I do not understand very well. Human labor is very little energy ...

In electrical and hydraulic machines, a distinction is made between the control circuit and the power circuit: in the first, only current and low amperage or pressure circulates, which only serves to control the required high flow rates and pressures (voltages) to transform matter. Human labor is mainly used to implement (directly or indirectly) the formidable powers of mechanical slaves, the very one that has dethroned human muscular force, which is too unproductive by today's standards. It is therefore understandable that this reduction manages significant energy flows. Strictly speaking, human work is not directly related to energy as thoughtlessly written Christophe who misread Sen-no-sen, but to its symbolic representation.
On the second point, the English language removes the ambiguity of metal money and its dual use; for us, it is a question of a persistence of a concept which has become obsolete, just as we persist in using the expression "to extinguish the light".
As for the exchange rate, it is justified precisely by the fact that it is not an undifferentiated human working time that is remunerated, but only a time in relation to its socially useful quantity, or, to put it another way, with the minimum time required to produce each commodity with maximum intensity: as soon as productivity varies from country to country, the exchange rate “corrects” these variations; this is obviously disadvantageous for poorly equipped producers, but nevertheless allows them to sell their production, which would not be the case otherwise. This is what causes the fixed parity in the euro zone to disadvantage countries with a less efficient economy and explains the initial enthusiasm of the German monetary authorities to introduce this currency ...
Well, in practice, many manipulations are also possible and very profitable, do not be fooled ...

Guy: if we consider precious metals from the only angle of their possible substitution for monetary value, then this value is just as fictitious as the one it replaces, only a little more capable of maintaining the illusion ...
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