This morning on France-Inter, an interesting report on nuclear.
The title I gave is deliberately provocative but the reasoning is as follows:
We are on the way to decreasing the share of nuclear energy production, and this should increase in the future.
This observation makes it possible to predict that the dismantling and waste treatment works will represent in the medium term, even short term (if another disaster were to happen ...), a colossal market and thousands of jobs at stake!
As much for the construction of power stations very highly qualified jobs were needed, as for the "deconstruction", the jobs will be more numerous, much less qualified and therefore more accessible to a greater part of the population.
Today France is positioned as a leader in this future large nuclear "cleaning" market (and perhaps closer than expected) with specific technical training that it is today the only one to offer in the world.
In short, some French industrial groups count today as much on the sale and construction of new nuclear power plants over the next few years to come, as on their dismantling which will follow, and perhaps just after construction!
It's a win-win for the French economy!
Thanks WHO ?...
The future of nuclear power is good for the economy!
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Alas, France is the kingdom of chat!
We dread miserably on Brennilis, in Brittany, where we have hardly advanced for 20 years ...
The most advanced dismantling experiences seem to me to be ... American or German
http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/Allemagne-le-laborieux
We dread miserably on Brennilis, in Brittany, where we have hardly advanced for 20 years ...
The most advanced dismantling experiences seem to me to be ... American or German
http://www.sortirdunucleaire.org/Allemagne-le-laborieux
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Grelinette wrote:This morning on France-Inter, an interesting report on nuclear.
The title I gave is deliberately provocative but the reasoning is as follows:
We are on the way to decreasing the share of nuclear energy production, and this should increase in the future.
This observation makes it possible to predict that the dismantling and waste treatment works will represent in the medium term, even short term (if another disaster were to happen ...), a colossal market and thousands of jobs at stake!
As much for the construction of power stations very highly qualified jobs were needed, as for the "deconstruction", the jobs will be more numerous, much less qualified and therefore more accessible to a greater part of the population.
Today France is positioned as a leader in this future large nuclear "cleaning" market (and perhaps closer than expected) with specific technical training that it is today the only one to offer in the world.
In short, some French industrial groups count today as much on the sale and construction of new nuclear power plants over the next few years to come, as on their dismantling which will follow, and perhaps just after construction!
It's a win-win for the French economy!
Thanks WHO ?...
In this program they also said that for, say, 1000 jobs for a power station in operation, there would only be about 150 for dismantling ..... The problem of reclassification of personnel remains unresolved.
"A win-win for the french economy ! ": mrgreen: Those who put their pockets full with Nukes power plants in operation will continue to do so with their dismantling. These two phases have never been (/ will ever be) profitable only for the nucleocrats and not for the French population The astronomical addition of past monumental bullshit (and future?) is starting to emerge ..... We are heading straight for the most expensive electricity in Europe if not the planet ... .
http://www.slate.fr/story/49963/FRANCE- ... les-surete
http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fin ... euros.html
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Who will pay ?Grelinette wrote: the dismantling and waste treatment works will represent in the medium term, even short term (if another disaster were to happen ...), a colossal market and thousands of jobs at stake!
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Did67 wrote:Alas, France is the kingdom of chat!
But if we can do it.
Behind the scenes of a construction nuclear decommissioning
Posted on April 09, 2014 by Gabriel Siméon | Science & technology
While Hollande has pledged to close the Fessenheim plant by the end of 2016, reportage in Chooz in the Ardennes, pilot site in dismantling aging reactors.
Construction workers Chooz A wizard in the evacuation of one of the four steam generators - © EDF
The smoke coming out of the two cooling towers still active in Chooz (Ardennes) - pronounced "cho" - would almost forget that here we dismantle. On this nuclear site built there nearly fifty years 55 kilometers north of Charleville-Mezieres and a few wing beats of the Belgian border, hundreds of technicians led by EDF still busily dismembering the Chooz nuclear reactor A. Twenty-three years after it stopped! Almost as much as its operating life, twenty-four years, of 1967 1991 to.
Chooz A is the most advanced construction of the nine first-generation reactors today deconstruction in France - with Brennilis (Finistère), 1 Bugey (Ain), Chinon A1, A2 and A3 (Indre-et-Loire), Creys -Malville (Isère), St. Lawrence and A1 A2 (Loir-et-Cher). It is also the only technological family pressurized water which members 58 French reactors still in operation. And, as such, it is a game of deconstruction that prefigures that of Fessenheim, Alsace Central Francois Hollande has pledged to close by the end of 2016. In any case, before the end of his term.
In the Ardennes, the challenge is to size for EDF. For if the life of existing plants is not extended beyond forty years, the electricity giant theoretically will pour worksites such as Fessenheim at the rate of at least two reactors a year from 2017 without having completed his term such a business. "The experience of Chooz will be very useful, even if it will not make things exactly the same way, ensures Philippe Bernet, deputy director of deconstruction and Environmental Engineering Center (CIDEN), attached to EDF, which ensures the visit. Today we can already say that masters all techniques work. "
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Did67 wrote: ...
We dread miserably on Brennilis, in Brittany, where we have hardly advanced for 20 years ...
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it advances whatever you think.
Nuclear. The dismantling of the Brennilis power plant is progressing
Brennilis - December 04, 2013 Ouest France
The dismantling of the Brennilis nuclear power plant reactor reached a new stage with the dismantling of the heat exchangers.
At the Monts d'Arrée nuclear power plant in Brennilis, dismantling around the reactor has taken a new step in recent weeks with the dismantling of the heat exchangers.
20 m high and 37 tonnes. These are the measurements of each "bottle" inside the two heat exchangers located inside the reactor of the Brennilis nuclear power plant.
Construction ends in 2025
Since September, their deconstruction one by one has mobilized around 120 people. An additional step in the dismantling of this experimental nuclear power plant built in the late 60s and whose power generation activity ceased in 1985.
Total deconstruction should normally be completed by 2025.
http://www.ouest-france.fr/nucleaire-le ... ce-1761995
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Brennilis nuclear power plant completely dismantled in 2025
The World | 03.12.2013
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Yes, dismantling a nuclear power plant takes time. Why ?
To reduce costs and increase operational security
But Flytox is right when it announces the staff dedicated to dismantling: it is much less than for production.
And I also agree with him when he says that we risk going towards the most expensive electricity in Europe ... But only if we continue like our German neighbors to build and subsidize the new EnRe
Yes, dismantling a nuclear power plant takes time. Why ?
To reduce costs and increase operational security
But Flytox is right when it announces the staff dedicated to dismantling: it is much less than for production.
And I also agree with him when he says that we risk going towards the most expensive electricity in Europe ... But only if we continue like our German neighbors to build and subsidize the new EnRe
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moinsdewatt wrote:
it advances whatever you think.
It is all a question of appreciation of the speed of movement:
- shutdown in 1985
- we took on the heart in 2013
- we plan to finish in 2025
It is a relative advancement. Certainly a little faster than treading water. But not enough to impress potential future customers! That was my remark. I no longer know who seemed to say that we would be champions! Bag race champions ???
This does not say what has been done with the very radioactive elements that are the elements of the heart.
And that does not say that Brennilis was a very small cuckoo of 70 MW [Fessenheim it is already 2 reactors of 900 MWe ... That changes dimension ... Currently, the installations it is often 3 sections of 1 to 300 MW]
So a hello not even finished before 40 years !!! Ok I will do it...
The Americans dismantled the Maine Yankee power plant (900 Mwe) in a few years. Today, the grass grows. I do not know if it is edible (by cows):
The dismantling was completed from 1997 until 2005. The reactor building was destroyed by explosives in 2004 and the radioactive waste was removed in 2005. Currently, the land occupied by the power plant has reached the last stage of restoration and it should be able to be reused normally.
The only remaining issue is the spent fuel assemblies that are still stuck on site pending resolution of the problem of long-term storage at the designated Yucca Mountain site in Nevada.
The cost of dismantling was estimated at a total of $ 568 million, including $ 75 million for the construction of the temporary spent fuel storage facility.
Here. I did not want to open the debate on dismantling.
But the idea that we would be at the forefront or leaders, is the rooster crowing feet in shit!
The Germans also attack large power stations. There is a terrible debate on how to do it, what to do, where to store it ... But they are accumulating considerable experience on several sites (including already advanced sites, even if the ultimate waste is still stored) on old, unsafe power stations in East Germany (Chernobyle model)
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RégsB wrote:But Flytox is right when it announces the staff dedicated to dismantling: it is much less than for production.
And I also agree with him when he says that we risk going towards the most expensive electricity in Europe ... But only if we continue like our German neighbors to build and subsidize the new EnRe
No, the most expensive electricity on the continent is not fundamentally a story of subsidizing renewable energies which are already practically competitive, but rather of the fact that the "arrears" will have to be paid sooner or later (dismantling of power plants). + treatment of waste which we do not know what to do), which has not been supplied (included in the invoices since the origin of the nuke) to the French ...... and this without producing any kilowatt of course. ......
So double effort, change energy source .... and invest massively to make up for the bullshit of the past ...... Chui sure it is excellent for growth so dear to certain. Who is it who said that in France we always have a war of delay when it comes to investing in the right technology at the right time?
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Did67 wrote:Alas, France is the kingdom of chat!
We dread miserably on Brennilis, in Brittany, where we have hardly advanced for 20 years ...
Just like the small 300 MW Chooz A reactor in the Ardennes, which should be the first to be dismantled and which should set the standard for the method (and the cost ??): http://energie.edf.com/nucleaire/decons ... 48250.html
EDF communication in all its splendor:
The dismantling repayment, started in 1999, was completed at the end of 2004.
The main operations already carried out consisted in evacuating the fuel, draining the circuits, dismantling and demolishing the engine room and the pumping station, dismantling, cleaning up and demolishing the nuclear buildings located outside the hill.
https://www.econologie.info/share/partag ... 5VOhms.pdf
Nothing seen on the cost of the operation ... in short, good EdF com com!
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