Degrowth by Timothée Parrique

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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by Janic » 12/07/21, 19:27

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We know what the ecologists want to decrease: everything except vegetation and animals. These neo-Malthusians want to decrease the human.
who is the ON who knows so well? YOU, obviously like the other BOZO! BOZO bis
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by humus » 12/07/21, 19:33

Exnihiloest wrote:We know what the ecologists want to decrease: everything except vegetation and animals. These neo-Malthusians want to decrease the human.

My poor Exnihiloest.
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by Ahmed » 12/07/21, 20:10

... decrease homo economicus!
I do not always share the positions ofAurélien Barreau, but no complaints about this excerpt.
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by Christophe » 12/07/21, 20:46

Exnihiloest wrote:These neo-Malthusians want to decrease the human.


No, these are the provax! : Cheesy:
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by dede2002 » 13/07/21, 12:26

Exnihiloest wrote:... And if hardly anyone sets an example by sabotaging their own standard of living, it is obviously because everyone prefers to keep their advantages, because the advantages of growth, there are plenty ...


You are perfectly right! The "standard of living" benefits have the same effect as a drug. We can no longer do without it, and we hide the negative externalities ... Such as the destruction of the conditions necessary for the life of animals, of which we are a part.

Growth, we can see it from different angles, population growth, growth in energy consumption, or growth in gdp ...
The first two are concrete, a person or a kWh is the same everywhere, and those who are numerous are those who consume the least per person!
The gdp is more abstract, to enjoy the comfort, it is necessary that others, many, work for the equivalent of 1 euro per day, to provide the material necessary for this "standard of living", with the hope enjoy it too ...
It is logical that it is "well paid teachers" who talk about degrowth, it is not the employees of a titanium mine in Africa, for example, who will worry about that.
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by Ahmed » 14/07/21, 09:29

Your comparison with a drug is quite relevant *, Dede. There are indeed the same successive effects that manifest themselves: a feeling of better being fast but of short duration, an addiction which leads to increasing the doses and to a situation of dependence (which hinders the correct perception of reality). However, these addictions lead in the medium or long term to extremely harmful consequences and to a general dysfunction of the metabolism (and therefore to great discomfort!).
From this point of view, the decrease as desired T. Parrique appears as a simple desire to reduce the doses to a degree deemed compatible with continuing to take the drug, in no way to give it up. It is for this reason that he and his ilk are the subject of articles in the biggest newspapers and can express themselves widely: not that they represent the official doxa, but because they constitute a harmless "opposition". , easy to counterattack. In addition, it directs potential disappointments with the system towards a completely ineffective type of criticism ...

* It would be even more productive, conceptually speaking, to use the metaphor of parasitism ...
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by ABC2019 » 14/07/21, 10:01

Ahmed wrote:... decrease homo economicus!
I do not always share the positions ofAurélien Barreau, but no complaints about this excerpt.

he nevertheless applied for a post of professor, and his progression in grade (1st class, exceptional class), which does not change much in his work as a research professor, apart from increasing his salary.

So he's not against growing his own income ... : roll:
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by Ahmed » 14/07/21, 10:05

One can appreciate the literature produced by Céline without subscribing to his anti-Semitic delusions ...
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by humus » 14/07/21, 10:10

Ahmed wrote:Your comparison with a drug is quite relevant *, Dede. There are indeed the same successive effects that manifest themselves: a feeling of better being fast but of short duration, an addiction which leads to increasing the doses and to a situation of dependence (which hinders the correct perception of reality). However, these addictions lead in the medium or long term to extremely harmful consequences and to a general dysfunction of the metabolism (and therefore to great discomfort!).
From this point of view, the decrease as desired T. Parrique appears as a simple desire to reduce the doses to a degree deemed compatible with continuing to take the drug, in no way to give it up. It is for this reason that he and his ilk are the subject of articles in the biggest newspapers and can express themselves widely: not that they represent the official doxa, but because they constitute a harmless "opposition". , easy to counterattack. In addition, it directs potential disappointments with the system towards a completely ineffective type of criticism ...

* It would be even more productive, conceptually speaking, to use the metaphor of parasitism ...

I ask myself the question of the choice between an irreproachable ideal but unattainable given where we start,
or the choice of a disappointing but pragmatically more or less effective compromise.
In other words, rather than an ideal decrease, the choice of a pseudo-decrease rather than nothing?
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Re: Degrowth by Timothée Parrique




by Janic » 14/07/21, 10:33

I ask myself the question of the choice between an irreproachable ideal but unattainable given where we start,
or the choice of a disappointing but pragmatically more or less effective compromise.
In other words, rather than an ideal decrease, the choice of a pseudo-decrease rather than nothing?
we can therefore compare this to detoxification of any drug; either brutal or progressive and not all can stop suddenly without side effects that can be worse than addiction.
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