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[eclectron]

Do not be formalized if I do not participate too much, and breaks the thread, just want to share this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPxtk_VW4Sc

[Ahmed]

I obviously do not share all of the conceptions of Paul Ariès, far from it, but, on the issue of free common goods, we meet ...
Sen-no-sen, you write:

Indeed, the classic civilizational collapse due to lack of oil is very implausible, the capacity of economism to restructure being very strong

Most of the previous challenges were first causes of crisis, followed by a spectacular rebound which circumvented or even transformed the difficulties into new opportunities. However, each time, the contradiction which is at the heart of the accumulation of capital was only negated on the surface and, in reality, simply carried to a higher level which would, at the next crisis, call for more considerable efforts. Naturally, these successive amplifications cannot be reproduced indefinitely and have an upper limit. That where the sum of accumulated abstract value can no longer increase further (to which it is structurally condemned) due to the massive exclusion of human labor which is its source.
So I think that a brutal collapse could (possibly) result from an external factor (but not oil, actually) which would precipitate (in the physical sense) the slow intrinsic collapse that we know today.
Warning! This is only the consequence of determinisms to which we abandon ourselves and "by taking back control", the disaster is completely avoidable (but small alternative tinkering will be perfectly insufficient for that)!

[sen-no-sen]

Warning! This is only the consequence of determinisms to which we abandon ourselves and "by taking back control", the disaster is completely avoidable (but small alternative tinkering will be perfectly insufficient for that)!

From the point of view of physics and its fields of possibilities, there is indeed no impossibility to the implementation of a scenario favorable to our survival and the preservation of the biosphere, however I remain rather circumspect concerning social determinisms at stake.
The models of D. Meadows carried out in the 70s are well (unfortunately) verified, and current projections predict a global collapse within 3 (!) to 30 years depending on the models ... the hysteresis of the forces at play unfortunately risks making us drift towards unenviable scenarios.

[Ahmed]

Your first sentence is a bit wobbly (sorry! ) at the end. I think you mean that you are skeptical about the possibility of a favorable evolution, given the capacity of the determinisms at stake ...?
If I put "with regard to" instead of "concerning", am I correct?

[sen-no-sen]

Yes, it's getting late ...

[izentrop]

Interesting his inventory of fixtures to Paul Aries, but as a solution, he has nothing to bring, except the sharing of fruits and vegetables with his neighbors.

[moinsdewatt]

Philippe Bihouix has just released a new book.

Happiness was for tomorrow. The dreams of a solitary engineer, by Philippe Bihouix, Editions du Seuil, April 2019 366 pages, 19 euros.

The technique will not save
not the world

May 10, 2019 / Jean-Pierre Tuquoi (Reporterre)

In "Happiness was for tomorrow", the engineer Philippe Bihouix effectively demolishes the illusions of a technological response to the ecological crisis. As for the circular economy, it is an equally vain catch-all. The real solution is to go towards sobriety.

All those who are convinced that tomorrow we can get from Paris to New York in thirty minutes, that the colonization of Mars - and beyond - is only a matter of time, that the storage of information on DNA is within our reach, in short that the tomorrows are looking bright for humanity, all these blissful optimists should read Philippe Bihouix's latest book. It would help them come down to earth.

But not only them. Should also throw themselves on the book those of the camp opposite, if we can say, those who believe that another world is possible with a little goodwill, the thuriferaires of the circular economy and development sustainability, consumers and proselytes of the collaborative economy. They will be confronted with disturbing truths likely to cause some of their convictions to falter.

Bihouix is ​​not its first try. In a previous work (L'Age des low-tech, Seuil 2014), well received by critics, he demolished the mirage of high tech innovation by taking the opposite view. In The Happiness was for tomorrow, of a reading as easy as stimulating, it widens its field of action. To restore balance to a very sick planet, those who preach the race for progress are liars or visionaries, he accuses before blasting, with equal vigor, the effects of fashion and the false good ideas peddled by some green currents.
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https://reporterre.net/La-technique-ne- ... s-le-monde

[sen-no-sen]

An interview carried out by the chain Thinkerview with Philippe Bihouix, previously cited.
Originally it was to be a confrontation between P. Bihouix et Laurent Alexandre, unfortunately the latter could not be present ... hoping for a next time!
The issue of peak oil, the end of resources, the "rebound" effect, the baseline shifting and other topics of interest for future issues.